Re: Romanian m&c^uka

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > Lubotsky's 'The Indo-Aryan Substratum':
> > > "
> > > Loanwords
> > > [..]
> > > Indo-Aryan *maiu:kha- m. `wooden peg':
> > > Skt. mayu:'kha- `peg for stretching the woof';
> > > OP <myux> = mayu:xa- `doorknob',
> > > Sogd. myGk `peg',
> > > MiP and MoP me:x `peg, nail',
> > > Oss. mi:x/mex `stake'.
> > >
> > > The current etymology derives the word from the root mi- `to
> > > build, erect', which explains neither its morphology (suffix
> > > *-u:kha-?), nor semantics (the verbal root only means `to fix

in

> > > the ground'). The meaning `stake' is only attested in Ossetic

and

> > > is clearly secondary. [In view of its meaning, PP *majäk /

majäg

> > > `stake' (Redei 72) is probably borrowed from Pre-Ossetic.]
> > > "
> > >
> > > Lubotsky's above assumption that this is not an IE word is in
> > > contradiction with :
> > >
> > > Romanian mãciuc& /m&c^uk& art. m&c^uka/ 'bludgeon' <->
> > > Albanian mësukë /m&suk&/
> > >
> > > < PAlb. /Dacian *mac^uka:
> > >
> > > see : http://dexonline.ro/search.php?cuv=maciuca
> > >
> > > Based on Romanian/Albanian forms the long u: in Indo-Aryan

forms

> > > is secondary
> > >
> > > In Romanian this word is f.
> > >
> > That is, assuming the Dacian(?) word wasn't a loan in that

language

> > too:
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/HbHpHg.html
> >
> > Note the PBasque *p- > Basque *m-
> >
> > http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/10pegg-

zapfen.html

> > and further(?)
> > http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/08pauk-

stechen.html

> > http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/14pikk-

stechen.html

> >
> > Note Sw påk "bludgeon" (vel sim.).
> >
> >
> > PP *majäk/majäg "stake" / PIE *pa:k/*pa:g id. (and more) is an
> > interesting parallel.
>
>
> I thought we'd been there before:
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48817
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/48982
> http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/49151
>
>
> Torsten

Finally what you want to show at
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/HbHpHg.html
?


I agree only that PBasque *p- > Basque *m- (maybe you can add its
timeframe too ...)

Marius