Re: Finnish KASKI

Jouppe,

Thanks again.

I am rewriting your table, hopefully for clarification:

FRONT====================BACK
Unrounded Rounded--------Unrounded Rounded
Close i---ü--------------ï---------u
Mid e----------------------------o
Open ä------------------a

So, no central vowel?

Sounds a bit different!


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "jouppe" <jouppe@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 11:04 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKI


*/ü/ was part of the original inventory, **/ö/ was not.

Front Back
Unrounded Rounded Unrounded Rounded
Close i ü ï u
Mid e o
Open ä a

Wikipedia states:
Rounded vowels were restricted to initial syllables. Vocalic phonemes
in non-initial syllables were restricted to two or three. One view is
that there were only two archiphonemic non-initial vowels /a/
and /i/, realized as four allophones as per vowel harmony. Another
view is that there were /a/, /i/ and /ə/. There were no
diphthongs or
long vowels.
Unquote

Jouppe

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
wrote:
>
> Jouppe,
>
> yes, thank. Very nice indeed.
>
> But was *ü part of PU or did it first come about in Proto-Finnic?
>
> Below, you seem to be saying it was _not_ a part of PU.
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "jouppe" <jouppe@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Wednesday, February 20, 2008 7:21 AM
> Subject: [tied] Re: Finnish KASKA
>
>
> Patrick,
>
> As I answered already in another string that /ü/ was part of the
> inventory from the start. In a separate posting I have outlined some
> descriptions on how /ö/ came about. The process is fundamentally
> different from i-umlaut, since vowel harmony per definition extends
> much further and occupies the same phonological play ground as
german
> style i-umlaut. See other posting under same string.