Res: [tied] Hittite aruna- 'sea'

From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 53650
Date: 2008-02-18

I agree. I think Proto-Indian *Varunas absorbed influences of Mesopotamian Ea-Enki, but Indo-Iranian *Varunas was not a sea-deity. I think thai main PIE water-deity was the equivalent of Apam Napat-Neptu:nus, a god of subterranean waters, pits and lakes.
PIE could have been an ophidian entity embracing the concept of a world-surrounding stream, like Jo:rmungandr, Okeanos and Vasuki.

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De: Francesco Brighenti <frabrig@...>
Para: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Enviadas: Segunda-feira, 18 de Fevereiro de 2008 7:28:24
Assunto: [tied] Hittite aruna- 'sea'



--- In cybalist@... s.com, "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@.. .>
wrote:

> Any PIE in this arna-aruna word? Arunash was the Mittani sea-god;
> Varuna (<*Aruna?) was a sea-god too. Maybe a god of stormy seas
> fit into Poseidon role...

As I wrote earlier, Skt. arn.a- is from the verbal root ar- (< PIE
*h3er- 'to rise, stir, move') 'to put in motion, send, move, rise'.
A. Lubotsky traces the term back to PIE *h3erno- 'rising (wave)'.

Incidentally, Lubotsky gives some close cognates of R.gvedic
Sanskrit arn.a- that, according to him, would mean or be associated
with sea:

arn.ava- 'undulating, bobbing; undulating flood, sea' (RV+);
arn.as- 'undulating flood, swell, sea, sea of air' (RV);
arn.asa- 'undulating; sea'

As for the connection with Hittite aruna-, nom.sg. arunas 'sea'
(also found as the name of a sea-god reflecting a Hurrian cultic
tradition), see Puhvel's _Hittite Etymological Dictonary_ at

http://tinyurl. com/3xfjmx

Interestingly Puhvel, although he at first states "etymology
uncertain", opens the possibility to an etymological connection with-
with Skt. arn.a- (in this case, both words would derive from PIE
*h3er- 'to rise, stir, move', with parallel semantic development >
flood > sea, see above). This is considered "most likely" in David
M. Weeks' Ph.D. dissertation on Hittite vocabulary at

http://tinyurl. com/2b4cux (see on p. 11)

Re: the conncetion of Hittite aruna- with the watery Vedic Aryan god
Varun.a via Mitannian (Hurrian) influence, Puhvel states
that "speculations about a contact-based tie-in with the Mitannian
(Indo-Aryan) Uruwana, (V)aruna were abortive." So also as to the
opposite view -- e.g., "Kretschmer believes erroneously that Varuna
comes from the Hittite Arunash and was coloured with Asian and
Babylonian ideas" (M. Eliade, _Patterns of Comparative Religion_,
Univ. of Nebraska Press 1996, p. 117). Varun.a was not primarily a
sea-god, at least in the early Vedic period.

Kindest regards,
Francesco




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