Re: Re[4]: [tied] Re: *a/*a: ablaut

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 53594
Date: 2008-02-18

How many words like *ye:kwr exist ?

A number: *yé:kWr.(t), *yikWnós (*yékWnos) (*lé:pr.(t),
*lipnós) "liver" [Skt. yá:kr.t, yáknas], *pé:r(r), *pr.nés
"house" [Hitt. pi:r, parnas], *k^é:rd, *k^r.dés "heart"
[Hitt. kir, [kardiyas]; Arm sirt], *d(h)é:g^ho:m,
*d(h)g^hmós, coll. *d(h)g^hó:m "earth" [Hitt. te:kan,
tagnas], perhaps *g^hwé:r "wild animal" [Grk. thé:r, Lith
z^ve:rís], etc.

==========
None of these has a long vowel in Latin.
Including humus short.
Something I rate as highly disturbing.
And It would not rely on Anatolian
which is fairly obscure
to project e: into PIE

What is the reason Hittite i or e
should be read as long ?

As regards the word house
Egyptian has short *e = PAA *a
in *paruw "house"
Cf. pharaon : the big house.

Arnaud
==============
>How can we be sure that this is not a innovation ?

Because they are irregularities. Irregularities are
generally archaisms, not innovations.

=
No
Irregularities can be the result
on different innovations.
Arnaud
==============

>How do you account for latin jecur with short e ?
>I see no reason why it should have shortened.

Latin shows a marked preference for the oblique stem in
cases like this (iecur, cor, ferus, etc.).

============
Latin just kept the short vowel that existed
from the start.
I'm afraid you are wiping aside
Italic a bit too fast.

What about Celtic ?

Arnaud
===============