[Courrier ind?sirable] Re:[tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH

From: tgpedersen
Message: 53556
Date: 2008-02-17

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...> wrote:
>
> At 11:39:49 AM on Sunday, February 17, 2008, tgpedersen
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott"
> > <BMScott@> wrote:
>
> >> At 10:12:40 AM on Sunday, February 17, 2008, tgpedersen
> >> wrote:
>
> >> [...]
>
> >>> Such a shibboleth relationship is not something that is
> >>> resolved with the purge of one form overnight, it can
> >>> drag on over centuries in various dia- and sociolects.
>
> >> Or it can be a figment of the imagination.
>
> >> I don't deny the existence of the phenomenon, but you see
> >> a shibboleth under every bed.
>
> > If you see your task as defending status quo you'll end up
> > having contributed nothing new to the science other than
> > general nastiness.
>
> I see nothing nasty in pointing out the obvious:

Then why don't you do that instead?


> you do have very frequent resort to this explanation.

Relative to everybody else that's not so strange; I invented the idea.


> I'll go further:
> I think that resorting in the first instance to an explanation
> that in general cannot be tested is methodologically unsound.

So it is. That's one advantage an explanation using shibbolethisation
has over traditional causeless rules: It requires two mirroring
changes in neighboring languages and adds the requirement of a
conflict between their speakers.
http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Shibbolethisation.html

> As for the rest, I'm not particularly interested in
> contributing anything new, and in any case I haven't the
> necessary background knowledge. I do not set out to defend
> the status quo as such; in matters on which I feel at all
> competent to have an opinion, I simply find it more
> plausible than most of the alternatives that are proposed
> here.

A wise choice. Finding otherwise would require having more background
knowledge.


Torsten