Re: Indo-Uralic?

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Jouppe
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
<fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:

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> > PU *nohu "woman" has nothing to do with PIE *gw_n
> > and has to be compared with :
> > Sino-tibetan noh "woman"
> > Chinese nü3 "woman"
> > Tibetan mnah "a bride"
> > and you can see that Salish has *nexw "woman"
> >
> > Refuted.
> >
> > Arnaud
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> 'has to be compared with' is utterly ambiguous. Do you mean loans or
> are you establishing cognates here? In either case you have to
> postulate a lot of speculative presuppositions.
>
> Jouppe
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> I don't think "has to be" is ambiguous.
> Whatever the status of Uralic word *nohu "woman"
> when it comes to Sino-Tibetan or Salish,
> the structure of Uralic is nicely exhibited
> by all the other words.
> And this refutes any connection between nohu
> and PIE guneH2.
>
> Arnaud
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So you try to establish proper genetic correspondancies according to
the comparative method or not?
You know this has been tried in vain for over a century. A new
attempt should be the subject of a dissertation, not a chat board
discussion.
Jouppe
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> The reconstruction like pseudo-Finnish kesä is worse than bad.
> Moksha is kiza : impossibly derivable from this thing **kesä
>
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> Finnish 'pesä' is Moksha 'piza'
> Jouppe
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> So what ?
> Finnish e and Moksha i correspond.
> These languages are close relatives.
> I'd be grateful if you add meanings to the words.
> It means "nest"
>
> Arnaud
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So Moksha kiza 'summer, year' is therefore "derivable from this
thing" *kesä. Thank you for admitting it.
Jouppe
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> Now again we are discussing European languages, like Finno-Permic

and

> PIE. What has China and Eastern Eurasia to with it? Pseudoscience is
> forbidden by the rules of the forum.
> Jouppe
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>
> Uralic originates in Western Siberia
> Most probably from the Ob and Ienissei Basin.
>
> Do you deny this obvious fact ?

The large amount of IE loans, including western ones seems to
contradict it. But geography is not the subject of linguistics and i
will not participate in any discussion here on migrations and
urheimats.

>
> Finnish kesä "summer"
> Moksha kiza
> Turkish kizdirmak "hot"
>
> Finnish pesä "nest"
> Moksha piza
> Tungus pubi "nest"
>
> It's not pseudo-science.
>
> Arnaud
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As long as you dont apply proper multiple correspondancies i am
afraid I have no means of excluding that it may be just that. How
would I know? Throwing isolated word on a chat board prooves no
relationships in itself.

Jouppe