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> What does pre-Finnic mean for you ?
> Arnaud
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I use 'Pre-Finnic' on my site because all reconstruction levels
between Proto-Uralic and Late Proto-Finnic (='Proto-Baltic-Finnic')
are controversial. The earliest intermediate 'Pre-Finnic'
reconstruction level would be (*)*Proto-Finno-Ugric. The youngest
level would be (*)*Proto-Finno-Saami. For instance here
http://www.helsinki.fi/~tasalmin/kuzn.html you will find the harshest
critisism against these concepts. And as I say, I avoid using them,
sometimes I refer to western Finno-Permic, meaning all combinations
of Finno-Saami-Mordva.
Jouppe
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http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Uralic_languages
The classification tree is extremely clear.
And my opinion is it is correct.
Some Hungarians have strange ideas
about what changes should be made.
Uselessly strange ideas.
There is nothing to change.
Arnaud
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> And you are mixing up
> Finnish loanwords from Baltic
> older loanwords from Indo-Iranian
Borrowing into the form of plain stem has been going on throughout
the Pre-Finnic period, the more the earlier. In this case some
examples are pre-germanic, others pre-aryan. That is not the point
here. The receiving language has this feature.
Jouppe
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No,
one of the ancient loanwords is *yewos
also existing in Samoyedic
which appears in Finnish as jyvä
Your theory of lost syllables does not hold water.
Arnaud
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By the way Finnic does not have 'roots', only stems.
Jouppe
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And what about Finnish trees ?
Arnaud
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