From: Rick McCallister
Message: 53328
Date: 2008-02-15
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister____________________________________________________________________________________
> <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:
> >
> > Punk eek and convergence are too completely
> different
> > topics. Francesco didn't say anything at all
> regarding
> > punk eek. Do you ever think rationally?
>
> Actually he did. See below.
>
>
>
> "Trubetskoy's and Dixon's "innovative" models
> > > based on linguistic
> > > > convergence, linguistic areas, and
> ****equilibrium***
> > > versus the "old-
> > > > fashioned" comparativist model based on
> linguistic
> > > divergence,
> > > > family trees, and migrations: BULLSHIT!"
>
> M. Kelkar
>
> >
> > --- mkelkar2003 <swatimkelkar@...> wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco
> > > Brighenti" <frabrig@>
> > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mkelkar2003"
> > > <swatimkelkar@>
> > > > wrote:
> > > >
> > > > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco
> > > Brighenti" <frabrig@>
> > > > > wrote:
> > > > >
> > > > > > 1. the early habitat of
> Proto-Indo-Iranians
> > > was in an area
> > > close
> > > > > > to the Central Asian steppe-taiga
> interface,
> > > e.g., near the
> > > > > > Urals;
> > > > > >
> > > > > > 2. these Proto-Indo-Iranians called
> themselves
> > > *arya-.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Indo-Iranian" is a linguistic idea. It does
> not
> > > refer to any
> > > > > actual people who can be traced back into
> > > history. See Lamberg-
> > > > > Karlovsky 2005.pdf and Proto-Indo-European
> > > Reality and
> > > > > reconstruction.pdf
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I've read for the nth timesince 2005 the
> > > conclusions of LK's paper
> > > > linked to above, and this is, in short, what I
> > > think of his
> > > > arguments:
> > > >
> > > > 1) The BMAC and the cultures of the Andronovo
> > > archaeol. horizon may
> > > > have shared common ancestors: NO.
> > > >
> > > > 2) The BMAC people(s) may have been
> Indo-Iranian
> > > speakers: NO --
> > > the
> > > > languages of the BMAC, at least some of them,
> may
> > > have belonged to
> > > > the Macro-Caucasian super-phylum as the
> > > present-day Burushos of
> > > > Northern Pakistan.
> > > >
> > > > 3) Absence of Andronovo-type artifacts in Iran
> and
> > > NW South Asia
> > > > versus presence of BMAC-type artifacts in the
> same
> > > areas (2nd mill.
> > > > BCE): this can be explained if one accepts
> > > Mallory's Kulturkugel
> > > > model.
> > > >
> > > > 4) The Andronovans and/or the BMAC folks may
> have
> > > spoken Dravidian
> > > > and/or Altaic and/or Uralic languages: HARDLY
> SO!!
> > > >
> > > > 5) Trubetskoy's and Dixon's "innovative"
> models
> > > based on linguistic
> > > > convergence, linguistic areas, and equilibrium
> > > versus the "old-
> > > > fashioned" comparativist model based on
> linguistic
> > > divergence,
> > > > family trees, and migrations: BULLSHIT!
> > >
> > > Very scientific! Dixon's BULLSHIT! punctuality
> > > equilibrium model has
> > > been validated in a recent Science magazine
> article
> > > Evolution of language in punctual bursts."
> > >
> > > Every one who does not agree with you is "aged"
> > > (Dhavalikar), "compromised" and colored by
> > > "indiginist point of view"
> > > Not everyone who supports the OIT model is of
> South
> > > Asian origin.
> > >
> > > Lets continue this "scientific" dialgoue.
> > >
> > > M. Kelkar
> > > >
> > > > 5) "Anti-migrationist" comparison between
> > > Henning's attempt to
> > > > identify the Guti of ancient Mesopotamia with
> the
> > > Yuezhi of Chinese
> > > > chronicles and the ongoing scholarly attempts
> to
> > > identify the
> > > > Andronovans with the Indo-Iranians: MORE
> BULLSHIT!
> > > >
> > > > The truth is that, in spite of his claims, LK
> > > largely neglects
> > > > linguistic evidence from 2nd mill. BCE Central
> > > Asia and the
> > > > steppe/taiga belt of Eurasia. He, for
> instance,
> > > doesn't see the
> > > > layering and distribution of the oldest
> > > Indo-Iranian languages and
> > > > their overlap with Uralic, insisting on the
> idea
> > > that "language and
> > > > archaeology do not corrlate" insted.
> > > >
> > > > Rehards,
> > > > Francesco
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> > >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
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