Re: Meaning of Aryan: now, "white people"?

----- Original Message -----
From: "Francesco Brighenti" <frabrig@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Friday, February 15, 2008 6:11 AM
Subject: [tied] Re: Meaning of Aryan: now, "white people"?





--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
wrote:

> At 7:29:39 PM on Thursday, February 14, 2008, Patrick Ryan
> wrote:

> > No, it is part of the barrage of abuse that is leveled
> > against the Nordic ethnos, led by Hollywood, but abetted
> > by other Germanophobes.
>
> A sadly revealing comment, but not really pertinent to
> <arya>.


For my part, I won't discuss any more with him any "arya"-related
topic (nor, probably, any other sort of topic), especially after he
showed he is unable to point to any lexical material whatsoever
allowing for the reconstruction of a root **HHar- (or whatever its
form be devised), without even clarifying which language family or
macrofamily the same would have belonged in (he cited some Sumerian
root, for example... which has no relation to PIE!). Not to speak of
the meaning 'white/pale' (referred to people's complexion) he
attributes to his fancied and cherished root!.




This is revealing of a mindset, of an ideology, as was seen in all
his subsequent posts in this thread.

It's also funny to figure out those Neolithic folks so proud of
their "white skin", and so contemptuous of their "dark-skinned"
neighbors, that they chose a term meaning 'the White Ones' as their
own self-designation!

This "Nordic White Aryan" stuff is better suited for the Stormfront
website, not for the cybalist...

Regards,
Francesco

***

Francesco, you can, of course, chose to not discuss anything with anybody.

But whether you want to discuss it or not, I am going to correct the
numerous misrepresentations about me in your posting above.

As for the guilty word, PL *HHA-RA, 'water-color', 'pale/white', as YOU
pointed out Bomhard identified it for PA as *hhar-, 'white', I guess he does
not see that the primary meaning was 'pale'; and HE connects it with PIE
*ar-. I do not know whether Bomhard mentions Sumerian <ar> or not (you look
it up; do something to promote your understanding of the word!) but he
certainly believes Sumerian is related to PIE and PA through Nostratic -as
do I. Even Orel & Stolbova have it as HS (PA) root #1241, *hhar-, 'sky'.

So it is not true that I did not point out the obvious connections; the only
connection I did not point out was Proto-Language *HHA-RA, from which I
believe Nostratic *hhar- is derived.

You follow this information garbage dump with "revealing of a mindset, of an
ideology"; all this from a simple discussion of a root meaning primarily
'pale'.

It is revealing of your determination to twist any facts to brand me as a
racist, which I am not.

It is also revealing that you have been so brainwashed that any mention of
differences among groups (probably, een among individuals) is perceived as
some kind of quality rating. When I tell my sister she is pale, I mean for
her to get some sun or chicken-soup. Not that she is superior to me.

Whether you like it or not, Francesco, groups throughout history have
generally been xenophobic, and valued their own characteriscs as superior,
more beautiful, etc. than those of the 'others'. You do not like it - take
it up with the Creator.

To characterize this as "Nordic White Aryan" only reveals how little you
know about the subject.


Patrick