From: Rick McCallister
Message: 53315
Date: 2008-02-15
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco____________________________________________________________________________________
> Brighenti" <frabrig@...>
> wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "mkelkar2003"
> <swatimkelkar@>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "Francesco
> Brighenti" <frabrig@>
> > > wrote:
> > >
> > > > 1. the early habitat of Proto-Indo-Iranians
> was in an area
> close
> > > > to the Central Asian steppe-taiga interface,
> e.g., near the
> > > > Urals;
> > > >
> > > > 2. these Proto-Indo-Iranians called themselves
> *arya-.
> > >
> > > "Indo-Iranian" is a linguistic idea. It does not
> refer to any
> > > actual people who can be traced back into
> history. See Lamberg-
> > > Karlovsky 2005.pdf and Proto-Indo-European
> Reality and
> > > reconstruction.pdf
> >
> >
> > I've read for the nth timesince 2005 the
> conclusions of LK's paper
> > linked to above, and this is, in short, what I
> think of his
> > arguments:
> >
> > 1) The BMAC and the cultures of the Andronovo
> archaeol. horizon may
> > have shared common ancestors: NO.
> >
> > 2) The BMAC people(s) may have been Indo-Iranian
> speakers: NO --
> the
> > languages of the BMAC, at least some of them, may
> have belonged to
> > the Macro-Caucasian super-phylum as the
> present-day Burushos of
> > Northern Pakistan.
> >
> > 3) Absence of Andronovo-type artifacts in Iran and
> NW South Asia
> > versus presence of BMAC-type artifacts in the same
> areas (2nd mill.
> > BCE): this can be explained if one accepts
> Mallory's Kulturkugel
> > model.
> >
> > 4) The Andronovans and/or the BMAC folks may have
> spoken Dravidian
> > and/or Altaic and/or Uralic languages: HARDLY SO!!
> >
> > 5) Trubetskoy's and Dixon's "innovative" models
> based on linguistic
> > convergence, linguistic areas, and equilibrium
> versus the "old-
> > fashioned" comparativist model based on linguistic
> divergence,
> > family trees, and migrations: BULLSHIT!
>
> Very scientific! Dixon's BULLSHIT! punctuality
> equilibrium model has
> been validated in a recent Science magazine article
> Evolution of language in punctual bursts."
>
> Every one who does not agree with you is "aged"
> (Dhavalikar), "compromised" and colored by
> "indiginist point of view"
> Not everyone who supports the OIT model is of South
> Asian origin.
>
> Lets continue this "scientific" dialgoue.
>
> M. Kelkar
> >
> > 5) "Anti-migrationist" comparison between
> Henning's attempt to
> > identify the Guti of ancient Mesopotamia with the
> Yuezhi of Chinese
> > chronicles and the ongoing scholarly attempts to
> identify the
> > Andronovans with the Indo-Iranians: MORE BULLSHIT!
> >
> > The truth is that, in spite of his claims, LK
> largely neglects
> > linguistic evidence from 2nd mill. BCE Central
> Asia and the
> > steppe/taiga belt of Eurasia. He, for instance,
> doesn't see the
> > layering and distribution of the oldest
> Indo-Iranian languages and
> > their overlap with Uralic, insisting on the idea
> that "language and
> > archaeology do not corrlate" insted.
> >
> > Rehards,
> > Francesco
> >
>
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