From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 52983
Date: 2008-02-13
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From: "Piotr Gasiorowski" <gpiotr@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Wednesday, February 13, 2008 7:06 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] PIE *a -- a preliminary checklist
> On 2008-02-13 17:36, fournet.arnaud wrote:
>
>> "plain velar" colouring ?
>> What is it supposed to mean ?
>
> Just like *h2 colouring, but less consistent. *e > *a when preceded or
> followed by any of the "plain" velars (*k, *g, *gH). Such an *a behaves
> exactly like an old *e coloured by *h2. In particular, it may have an
> o-grade alternant, and its long grade is *e:, not *a:.
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"less consistent"
You said you're a die-hard orthodox.
I don't buy "less" consistent colouring.
I'm an orthodox as well.
there is no "less" consistent.
It must be *always* true or f*.
What about Latin *cener-is "ash" ?
Arnaud
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>> Glurps.
>> How is H1a / H1a: alternation possible ?
>> Anti-matter ?
>
> Why should it be impossible? I'm talking about fundamental
> (non-conditioned, etymological) *a. It may appear in any environment,
> also next to an *h1.
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No
I definitely disagree with unnegotiable opposition.
If you are right to posit that this root has a versus a:
alternation, then initial is H2.
Arnaud
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If you prefer, you can reconstruct the 'white' word
> as *albHó-, but there are good reasons to believe that PIE did not have
> roots without a consonantal onset, and this one can't be *h2albH-, since
> Hittite alpa- 'cloud' has no <h->.
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I disagree.
"cloud" is not the same as "white"
Next :
the fact there is no <h> in Hittite proves nothing.
What about Kurylowicz's data :
hapa "river" from H2ap
apa "behing" from H2ap
Presence or absence of <h> proves nothing.
Arnaud
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>
>> *sal- 'salt',
>> ========
>> A quite obvious loan-word.
>> Probably from western Europe.
>> CF. zhva "sea".
>
> What is "zhva"? What language does it come from?
>
> Piotr
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Georgian
h stands for velar voiced spirant.
Arnaud
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