Re: IE homeland

From: Rick McCallister
Arnaud:

You related the spread of IE to the end of the Würm
glaciation.
I checked Wikipedia and they give a date of 10-15,000
years ago for the end of glaciation. --although I
didn't see anything specific regarding Würm
They also give a date of c. 9,500 BCE for the
invention of agriculture.
These dates seem to overlap.
Can you elucidate?

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Proposing a homeland for PIE must
- not be too big,
- have a cause for expansion,
- be coherent with at least linguistic data.
Eventually we may add :
- account for PIE genetic relationships
- account for non linguistic data

I have gradually evolve from
1. Kurgan theory
2. Anatolia + Agriculture
3. My own theory : Anatolia + end of Würm.
Before -10 000 BC

My own scenario is
1. Anatolian never moved a mm.
2. The rest moved into ice-liberated Eastern European ground.
Very earlier (= as soon as it became possible)
After that :
3. PIE split into Western PIE (at least Italo-Celtic)
and Eastern (Balto-Slavic, Greek, Germanic, Indo-Iranian, etc)
4. Agriculture reached Western PIE from Anatolia
and that caused an expansion of
Western PIE farther to the west.
5. Eastern PIE at that time remained half paleolithic
until it received a layer of neolithic from Caucasus. (- 7 000 BC)
6. Probably Germanic benefited first from the horse's domestication
and started expanding, further causing Indo-Iranian expansion.
(Around - 4 000 BC)
Then you are close to known History.
7. Greek when conquering Greece wiped out an archaic
variety of PIE.

Such an ancient datation requires a thorough
examination of the arguments *why* a low
datation has been proposed.
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In the first place "horse" related words.
1. Supposedly H1ekwos
The data to support this is a mixture of
words like yikw, Hekw, esb etc.
Status : junk
2. Supposedly *markos
It looks good until you look at Siberian *mor
Status : loanword
Siberian > Eastern PIE > Celtic
3. Supposed *reidh
Celtic re:d should be ri:d
Status : loanword from Eastern PIE
4. Supposedly *puH2l "foal"
A specialization of *puh2 "child"
5. Caballos-like words.
I reconstruct *ka?-pa?l /-pu?l
which accounts for
Irish : kapal < kappal < ka?pa?l (-?C > CC)
Central PIE : kab- < ka?p- (-?C > Cvoiced)
LAtin is a loanword from Central PIE

Other words :
Germanic kolt
Sanscrit kishora
Probably a loanword from a Siberian language
that remains to be identified.

First step.
No horse word withstands analysis.

I continue in a new mail

Arnaud