Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-

From: tgpedersen
Message: 52536
Date: 2008-02-08

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
>
> On 2008-02-08 22:05, tgpedersen wrote:
>
> > The fact that it applies in both Greek and Sanskrit indicates that
> > the rule was an active rule, which goes back to PIE; something
> > like <aspirated>V<aspirated> -> <unaspirated>V<aspirated>, but
> > actively applied at any given stage (nice, huh? I just invented
> > that).
>
> But Grassmann's Law operates quite differently in Greek and Sanskrit
> (there are also traces of something similar in Tocharian), so it's a
> convergent

?? In what sense convergent?

> but independent change in each case, not a homology. Italic,
> Germanic and Armenian preserve DH...DH roots and the contrast
> between them and D...DH.


I know all that, as I desperately tried to communicate in the posting.
The idea was: suppose the <aspirated>V<aspirated> ->
<unaspirated>V<aspirated> rule was active synchronically in all of
PIE, Greek and Sanskrit. That it doesn't exist in the rest of IE would
mean that it ceased operating there.


> >> Besides, neither Gmc. *GanG-a- nor WGmc.
> >> *Ga:-/*Gai- contain old *gWH-.
> >
> > PIE *kWol-so- > PGerm. *hals, PIE *gWow- > cow etc. How is PIE
> > *gWHo- doing?
> >
> > The thing caught my eye was the alternation PGerm. *gan,g-/*ga:-,
> > similar to PIE *gW-em/-ex
>
> LIV lists the two roots as *g^HengH- and *gHeh1-, respectively. The
> former can be reconstructed with some confidence, the latter is
> supported by Arm. gam and Gk. kikHé:te:n. If the equation is
> correct, we have *gH, not *g^H or *gWH here, but Gmc. *Ge:- could
> also reflect *g^Heh1- (with some potential IIr. cognates). The best
> one could do here would be to unify *g^HengH- with *g^Heh1-,

In 17th century Danish 'gange' was a verb. The only quote I know of it
is in a plural context (but it is in singular).
http://www.da-net.dk/Barokken.html


> but any connection with "extended *gW-" seems to be out of the
> question.

Unless it's a loan, of course, as I was trying to avoid.

I never found out whether *gWo- and *go- leave distiguishable traces?


Torsten