Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-

Sorry for creating unnecessary confusion.

When I wrote 'chevron', I thought European rather than American.

I stand corrected - at least, for lack of clarity.

As for circumflex, I confess I first came into contact with the term through
Greek, where it is normally written as a semi-circle with the round side at
the top rather than with an angle at the top as with the chevron.

Any terminology with which we can successfully communicate is fine with me.


Patrick

----- Original Message -----
From: "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:32 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-


> Yes, I should have just used ^
>
> Orel and Stolbova have more varieties of <c> than Charter has pills.
>
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 11:21 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-
>
>
> > I'm thinking US Army chevron as opposed to British
> > Army chevron
> >
> > But you do have ^, right?
> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> >
> > > No, Rick, it is an upside down hachek.
> > >
> > > Unfortunately, since I switched to plain text,
> > > c-hachek or s-hachek will not
> > > come through. It did when I was sending .htm's.
> > >
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "Rick McCallister" <gabaroo6958@...>
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 10:52 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: The meaning of life: PIE.
> > > *gWiH3w-
> > >
> > >
> > > > The term "livestock" seems to support Piotr, the
> > > > traditional idea of cattle as "money on the go"
> > > would
> > > > fit into a nomadic society
> > > >
> > > > BTW: The "upside down chevron" is called a hachek
> > > in
> > > > English or haček if your computer can read
> > > it.
> > > >
> > > > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > > > From: "Patrick Ryan" <proto-language@...>
> > > > > To: "Cybalist" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
> > > > > Sent: Thursday, February 07, 2008 9:01 AM
> > > > > Subject: The meaning of life: PIE. *gWiH3w-
> > > > >
> > > > > <snip>
> > > > >
> > > > > One of the points Piotr seeks to make in his
> > > paper
> > > > > is to argue for the
> > > > > existence, otherwise unattested, of the form
> > > *gWeu-
> > > > >
> > > > > The HS (my PA) root in Orel & Stolbova #516 is
> > > > > listed in three forms:
> > > > >
> > > > > *ca?-/*caw-/*cay-, "move upwards'
> > > > >
> > > > > The <c> has an inverted chevron.
> > > > >
> > > > > If one assumes that Nostratic is the parent of
> > > both
> > > > > PA and PIE, and these
> > > > > are inherited roots from Nostratic, presumably,
> > > at
> > > > > some point, PIE had them,
> > > > > too.
> > > > >
> > > > > In PIE, they would have the forms *gWa(:)H-,
> > > *gWei-,
> > > > > and *gWeu.
> > > > >
> > > > > As I mentioned before, there is more to relate
> > > these
> > > > > PA and PIE roots.
> > > > >
> > > > > That is the existence of PIE *gWem-, which
> > > almost
> > > > > corresponds with O&S #550,
> > > > > namely *cem-, 'go, enter' (same chevron, of
> > > course).
> > > > >
> > > > > I am working on a hypothesis that at least some
> > > PA
> > > > > <e> represent <e:>, a
> > > > > contraction of [ay]. Thus I suspect them
> > > *ce(:)m-
> > > > > represents an earlier
> > > > > *caym-.
> > > > >
> > > > > Why is this potentionally important?
> > > > >
> > > > > If the combining form were *gWei- rather than
> > > *gwe-,
> > > > > then it is possible
> > > > > that *gWeu- represents an an earlier *gWyeu-, a
> > > > > root-form that would, I
> > > > > think, bolster Piotr's argument.
> > > > >
> > > > > I have to admit that we have no discernible
> > > trace of
> > > > > a <y> in PIE *gWem- but
> > > > > Piotr will know best if *gWyem- could develop
> > > into
> > > > > *gWem- without
> > > > > palatalizing the initial.
> > > > >
> > > > > Whether *gWyem- ever existed or not, I am
> > > relatively
> > > > > certain that the
> > > > > Egyptian cognate Sm, go', was actually S(j)m,
> > > i.e.
> > > > > [sh-y-m].
> > > > >
> > > > > There are many who will question my connection
> > > of
> > > > > Egyptian <S> (esh) and <X>
> > > > > (bar-h) with PIE *g(^)W- and *k(^)w- but in the
> > > > > document I have been
> > > > > linking, are many examples of the correlation:
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > http://geocities.com/proto-language/c-AFRASIAN-3_table.htm
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Piotr, are you so unconvinced of the Nostratic
> > > > > hypothesis that you would
> > > > > have to judge these correlations as
> > > coincidental?
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > Patrick
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
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