Re: Alanic horseman

From: Rick McCallister
Message: 52411
Date: 2008-02-07

The form no, the meaning is definitely humorous --Mack
daddy, Pimp daddy, Puff Daddy, etc.

--- Cristian Mocanu <cristixav@...> wrote:

> "Attila" as "little father" at least in Gothic,
> seems to me to pose no
> problems:
> -Wulfila has "ATTA unsar"="Our Father..."
> - "-ila" as a diminutival suffix couldn't be better
> attested, esp. in
> personal names: Totila="little dead man",
> Wulfila="little wolf" etc.
> "Ata"=father is present throughout the Turkic
> spectrum, but we know that
> such words usually originate in children's language.
> Of course,we have no way of knowing if the Huns
> themselves actually called
> him that.
> Cristian
>
>
> 2008/2/7, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...>:
> >
> > "Daddy" sounds more like a folk etymology unless
> he
> > was also a rapper
> >
> > --- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...
> <proto-language%40msn.com>>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > It is quite probable that <Attila> is a popular
> > > European transformation of
> > > the originally Mongolian (or whatever) name that
> has
> > > nothing to do with its
> > > original meaning.
> > >
> > > Patrick
> > >
> > >
> > > ----- Original Message -----
> > > From: "fournet.arnaud"
>
<fournet.arnaud@...<fournet.arnaud%40wanadoo.fr>
> > >
> > > To: <cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> <cybalist%40yahoogroups.com>>
> > > Sent: Wednesday, February 06, 2008 4:02 PM
> > > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Alanic horseman
> > >
> > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > I just know of two possible Hunnic words for
> the
> > > horse, but not of
> > > > words for its rider. Both are based on the
> > > linguistic analysis of
> > > > Hunnic onomastic material proposed by O.
> Pritsak
> > > in _Harvard Ukrainian
> > > > Studies_ 6 (1982) at
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
http://www.huri.harvard.edu/pdf/hus_volumes/vVI_n4_dec1982.pdf
> > > >
> > > > Best,
> > > > Francesco
> > > > ============
> > > > The paper is very informative
> > > > especially as a compilation of forms.
> > > >
> > > > but,
> > > > I have some trouble buying
> > > > a certain number of explanations.
> > > >
> > > > Attila in particular
> > > > out of *es- *tïl "great ocean"
> > > > *tïl does not seem to exist at all.
> > > > Starostin has da:l for ocean
> > > > And mongolian is dal°i
> > > > It should be
> > > > *es-da:l- in Turcic
> > > > or
> > > > *ix-dal°i in Mongolian
> > > >
> > > > Phonetically, it's much worse than
> > > > att-ila "little father"
> > > > with vowels in the right place.
> > > > and consonants as expected.
> > > >
> > > > Arnaud
> > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
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