Re: PS Emphatics

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 52224
Date: 2008-02-03

How many [r]'s do Orel & Stobova postulate for Hamito-Semitic?

Answer: one
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Well,
There are three proto-phonemes missing in that case.
You need four *r to account for data.

Arnaud
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What is the equivalent of Egyptian <r> on page 33 of Loprieno's book.

Answer: [r]

So what represents PA [r]? Egyptian <r> or <3>?
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There were four phonemes fusing into *r
Your reasoning is circular.
Starting with one *r,
you got only one *r.
Obviously so.....

Arnaud
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Secondly, even if Egyptian <3> was PA [r], which it is in part being PA
*ra/i as opposed to PA *ru which is Egyptian <r>, no distinction among
vowel-conditioned allophones of [r] was made in PA.
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Your theory about vocalic impact on consonants in Egyptian
is complete fancy.
Arnaud
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I and Callender
helped to clear up that mess; <3> is regularly correspondent to PA <r> and
PIE <*r> and no other.
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Who is the other guy ?

Arnaud
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One of the more hilarious conceits was to regard <jb>, 'heart', as
corresponding to Semit <lib-> when a second-grader can see that PA ¿ib-,
'breast, bosom', is the likely cognate.
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I agree this is not acceptable.

Arnaud
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