From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 52109
Date: 2008-01-30
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From: "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
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Sent: Wednesday, January 30, 2008 1:39 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Li
>
> If the PIE's had wanted to characterize 'gold' as the 'piece smelted',
> they
> could have used *t(h)aHw-.
> ===========
> Tsalam? t?ob
>
> We have already reached the conclusion that PIE was long gone
> when gold became something interesting.
> And that the reason why
> western PIE has a loanword *zahb > *ahw-s
> central PIE invented a word out of *ghel.
> Arnaud
> =============
***
Perhaps you have but I have not. I still believe the circumstances favor
gold (nuggets) being in very, very early use.
***
> Instead, they used *Hawes-, 'dawn(-colored thing)' and *g^hel-dh-,
> 'shiny-nugget'.
> ==========
> Dawn is another word :
> H2_w here is Arabic s?ab-aH "morning".
> Arnaud
> ===============
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Absolutely 100% wrong. Arabic <S> is PIE *t, and from Nostratic *tHu.
There is no reason to hyphenate <SabâH>; it is a triliteral.
I know of no PIE cognate.
As for *Hawes-, what do you think its ultimate meaning is if not
'dawn-colored'?
Patrick