Re: ficken

I wasn't talking about shit-eating bonobos. I was
talking about bonobos who lick one anothers' sex
organs --as humans are also known to do world wide.
Despite the famous rhyme, it's not only the French who
engage in this. Plenty of pottery from Peru and
anthropologists' account verify it --even the Arabian
Nights talks about it. If you've traveled, you'd know
how widespread it is --even in 3rd world cultures
without bidets.


--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@...> wrote:

> Looks like a convergence of the reflexes from
> Pokorny's 1. and 2. bhes-.
>
> As for bonobos, dogs are coprophages; men are not.
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> McCallister<mailto:gabaroo6958@...>
> To:
>

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> Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 9:55 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: ficken
>
>
> Obviously you've never come across French baiser
> --once "kiss", now "fuck"; which is why the French
> split their sides laughing everytime an American
> orders "bouillabaise"
>
> Regarding what Americans call "French culture"
> --if
> bonobos engage in oral sex, cavemen probably
> weren't
> far behind
>
> --- Patrick Ryan
>

<proto-language@...<mailto:proto-language%40msn.com>>

> wrote:
>
> > Because of the vocalic poverty of PIE, many
> terms of
> > quite disparate meaning became, for all intents,
> > identical in form, which lead to associations by
> > form even when the semantics were completely
> > unrelated.
> >
> > An occasional word of a 'kiss' is English is
> 'peck',
> > e.g.
> >
> > I would, however, be rather amazed if any root
> > meaning 'kiss' could develop into meaning
> 'fuck'. It
> > simply does not make sense semantically, IMHO.
> >
> > The hidden premise here is, I think, that oral
> to
> > genital contact is suggested. I firmly believe
> that
> > until indoor plumbing and civilized hygiene,
> genital
> > to genital contact was almost exclusively the
> rule.
> >
> > Even male homosexual activity was probably
> almost
> > exclusively anal to genital contact.
> >
> > Patrick
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From:
> >
>

alexandru_mg3<mailto:alexandru_mg3@...<mailto:alexandru_mg3%40yahoocom>>

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> > To:
> >
>
>

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> >
> > Sent: Monday, January 21, 2008 5:59 PM
> > Subject: [tied] Re: ficken
> >
> >
> > --- In
> >
>
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cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com><mailto:cybalist@yahoogroups.com<mailto:cybalist%40yahoogroups.com>>,

> > Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:
> > > No, it's you who is enforcing things. Show me
> > one language in which a
> > > verb referring to copulation evolved
> > semantically into 'kiss'. The
> > > opposite (i.e. the euphemistic use of
> "innocent"
> > vocabulary) is
> > > commonplace -- see below.
> > > Piotr
> > >
> >
> > Piotr,
> >
> > "Kissing, as an expression of affection or love,
> > is unknown among many
> > races, and in the history of mankind seems to be
> a
> > late substitute for
> > the more primitive rubbing of noses, sniffing,
> and
> > licking." [Buck,
> > p.1113]
> >
> > I quotes this from the discussion on the
> etymology
> > of English kiss
> > but is quite the same discussion
> > (please see it at
> >
>
>

http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss><http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss<http://www.etymonline.com/index.php?term=kiss>>)

> >
> > So this *puk^- (from originally 'to punch, to
> > sting' etc...) has
> > described, initially, different contacts with
> > sexual connotations ...
> > maybe also (why not?) all of them, in one term.
> >
> > I think that this was the original meaning of
> 'the
> > sexual connotations'
> > of *puk^-
> >
> > This means also that the contacts, at that time,
> > (including what we
> > could consider today as 'kisses') weren't quite
> > 'pure soft contacts'
> >
> > From there, I don't see any issue that puk^-
> > became in time either 'to
> > fuck' or 'to kiss'
> >
> > Marius
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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