Re: ficken

On 2008-01-22 00:28, alexandru_mg3 wrote:

> Thanks. So the root is puts isn't it?
> What was the Original Onomatopeea in this case and where is the
> verbal suffix?

A bilabial initial and an affricate/fricative final consonant. Both are
frequent enought in words meaning 'kiss'. What "verbal suffix" do you
mean? We have a verb root to which the normal personal endings were
added. What else do you need?

> g) Next, You cannot use only the taste here,
> you need arguments to reject Alb. puth < PIE *puk^-

You haven't answered any of my semantic objections (which aren't a
matter of taste). As long as you have no convincing case, I don't even
have to bother to reject anything.

> Of course we are talking inside a defined model that could be
> finally wrong, or more or less accurate...
>
> But if, inside this model:
> burta 'belly' (< barukta:) is not from *bHer- 'carry',
> brandza 'cheese' is not from *bHer- 'boil, ferment'
> malai 'kind of flour' is not from *melh-,
> pandza 'fabric' is not from *peh2n-,
> bardza 'stork' is not from *bHerg^h1-,
>
> Let's forget all the Indo-European reconstructions, not only for
> Romanian-Substratum but, in general, I mean ....
>
> because we both know that the words above have a probability
> different from zero to be Chinese words, isn't it?

Of course I agree they are MOST LIKELY substratal, since no other
hypothesis explains them better (let's ignore the fact that the
accompanying reconstructions aren't all so good). That doesn't mean that
a substratal solution works for each and every Romanian word that
exhibits a slight irregularity or has an uncertain etymology. OK, Dacian
was a real language and it (or something related to Albanian, at any
rate) provided early Romanian with plenty of loanwords. But you go to
such great lengths to prove that Romanian is Dacian just sprinkled over
with some Latin that you end up blurring the distinction between
genuinely identifiable substrate words and all sorts of
might-have-beens, down to outright fantasy. In this way you can only
replace the substrate of Romanian with a conlang of your own making,
compromising your purpose and doing a disservice to substrate studies.

Piotr