Re: ficken

On 2008-01-21 01:00, stlatos wrote:

> When I questioned other theories of his he and you gave different
> answers. I'm not going to attempt to merge your answers in some way
> instead of responding to each thing you say. For example, for words I
> gave before that you said contained *u they were o-mo; neither you nor
> Jens said they should be 0-mo within this theory and you even said
> that *dhu:xmos < *dhouxmos was a possibility.

Please consult his postings on this O-infix. He gives examples like
*tog-áh2 vs. *bHug-áh2 and dHor-éje/o- vs. *k^ubH-éje/o-. He also
explains the contrast between (older) *luk-éje-tor and (later,
analogical) *louk-éje-ti.

I do think something like *dHOwh2mó- > *dHu:mo- may account for the
absence of laryngeal breaking in Greek, but that's my elaboration of
Jens's theory. It applies only before laryngeals, with *Owh2/3 > *u: but
*Owh1 > *ou (as in *s(j)oumo- 'seam'). I don't even know if Jens would
like it.

> I understand that you didn't originate everything you advocate, but
> since the author of this theory stopped responding to my questions and
> counterexamples in the middle of that previous discussion and you
> often give modifications or personal rules concerning other theories I
> seed nothing wrong with commenting on a derivation you just gave in
> terms of your previous descriptions.
>
> For this particular example, can you give one Latin noun in -gmus or
> -gma or a reason why these in particular would be eliminated?

Jens would predict *-mo- after a root like *tek- and *-no- after *pek-.
That would make <pugnus> regular (phonetically, it had [-Nn-]). The
levelling of the alternation to -n- in Latin after velars may of course
be due to a language-specific change of *-gm- > *-Nm- > *-Nn-, but I
wonder in what particular Latin words we would expect -gmus or -gma. The
ideal candidates would be thematisations of neuters in *-m(e)n WITHOUT a
labial in the root. From *sek-, we get *sek-mn. > Lat. segmen, but this
one accidentally fails to form a corresponding thematic noun, so we
can't see what it would be.

Piotr