Re: ficken

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:

>
> On 2008-01-20 23:03, Brian M. Scott wrote:
>
> > To account for <fuck> and Du. <vokken> 'to breed cattle' I
> > prefer Miguel's suggestion, *peug^-.
>
> I'd suggest a derivation ultimately from *peuk^- 'stick, punch,
> puncture', hence various words meaning 'prick(ly), spruce' etc. Pokorny
> gives *peug^- as a variant, but Gk. pugmé:, Lat. pugnus 'fist' (if
> correctly assigned to the same etymon) may owe their /g/ to pre-nasal
> voicing, frequent-to-regular in this position (both are thematic
> derivatives of *peuk^-mn. 'boxing' [or the like]).

Greek has plenty of nouns ending in -gmos and -gma:, Latin has none
in -gmus or -gma but others with -mus and -ma after other C or V. The
only way to account for this is m>m.>n.>n after velar stops in Latin
(a sim. rule in Germanic).

Also, the last time I remember you mentioning this you said that
o-mo nouns came from *-mn and so dismissed e-mo and 0-mo words I gave
to disprove a PIE origin of m/n-alternations (that supposedly occured
depending on the presence of a labial in the root). Is this another
thematicization you're proposing or did you slightly modify your
version of this theory?