Re: PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)

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From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com

Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:18 PM

Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)

Yes, there are problems but at least cite Ehret and
whoever else has done AA roots. If you disagree, say
so and why. It will help your credibility.
My understanding is that Arab loanwords come mainly
from other AA languages (mainly Aramaic, Egyptian,
Berber) and IE (mainly Persian, Greek and Romance).
And that Romance, Egyptian and Berber loanwords tend
to be regionalisms. Si if a word is Classical Arabic,
check it against Aramaic, Persian and Greek. But if
you're dealing with regionalisms such as
burtuqal/burtu' an "orange", skwila "school", znafuria
"carrot", it's probably a loanword
But do at least look through Berber --there are
Tamazight and other dictionaries online. There should
be etymological dictionaries for Berber and Hausa,
possibly for Somali, who knows for Omotic.

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@ msn.com> wrote:

> If we find a word in Arabic, we have two choices: 1)
> to regard it is deriving from Semitic, or 2) to
> regard it as a loanword. I think most would agree
> that native words greatly outnumber loanwords, so it
> is a fair presumption that the odds favor any Arabic
> word being native, I.e. derived from Semitic.
>
> We have excellent Arabic dictionaries which
> facilitate etymological comparisons.
>
> Unless we have good reason to label an Arabic word a
> loanword, it is likely (but not certain) that the
> word derives from Semitic.
>
> Our Egyptian sources are also well developed so that
> it is often possible to match Egyptian and Arabic
> words.
>
> Almost everyone agrees that the AA work that has
> been done is highly unreliable so that comparisons
> between PIE and PAA are not very feasible. I agree,
> they would be most desirable; and if I could use
> them, I would.
>
> As for Berber, is there a Berber etymological
> dictionary which links Berber to either Arabic or
> PAA? If there is, I do not know of it. Hence, Berber
> is only a grace-note.
>
> With Cushitic, Omotic, and Chadic, I am afraid my
> impression is that the proto-languages that have
> been reconstructed are as questionable as the PAA
> material. I could always be convinced otherwise, I
> suppose.
>
> So, a comparison among PIE, Arabic, and Egyptian
> seems most practical in view of the materials
> available.
>
> Of course, I add Sumerian, which gives us some
> insight into the original vowels.
>
> Patrick
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
> McCallister< mailto:gabaroo6958@ yahoo.com>
> To:
>
cybalist@... s.com<mailto:cybalist@... s.com>
>
> Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 6:03 PM
> Subject: Re: Re: [tied] Re: PIE-Arabic
> Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)
>
>
> PIE Arabic is a waste of time --go back to AA and
> you
> can't find the AA root, at least give roots from
> Semitic, Berber, Egyptian, Cushitic, Omotic and
> Chadic. No one will take PIE Arabic seriously
> unless
> you're positing loanwords
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud"
>
<fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr<mailto:fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Patrick Ryan
> > To:
>
cybalist@... s.com<mailto:cybalist% 40yahoogroups. com>
>
> > Sent: Saturday, January 19, 2008 7:44 PM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: [tied] Re:
> > PIE-Arabic Correspondences (was Brugmann's Law)
> >
> >
> >
> > I will add :
> > sekw "to follow" = Arabic *saq
> >
> > ***
> >
> > There is _no_ *saq meaning 'follow' in standard
> > Arabic.
> > Patrick
> > ***
> >
> > Very often, I wonder why such a level of
> > incompetence is put up with on this forum.
> > You claim proto-world- esque reconstructions
> > but you don't even have a good Arabic dictionary
> :
> >
> > Kazimirski tome 1 page 1167 :
> > sâq : "suivre, aller à la suite ; se suivre les
> > uns les autres"
> >
> > Arnaud
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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