Re: Dutch/vlaams (was [tied] Etruscans)

> ===================
> > > Torsten
> > > Stay on the point. Do you have information that refutes the
> > > claim made here that the Dutch-speaking area in the 7th-8th
> > > century included Boulogne?
> > > ===========
> > > Arnaud
> > >
> > > Pt 1 : Germanic invaders around Boulogne / mer are Saxons.
> > >
> > > The area around Boulogne/mer has been invaded by Saxons,
> > > within a radius of about 30 km between 500 and 600.
> > > The place-names have distinctly Saxon : AltSaechsisch
> > > features. Audresselles : Oderselle (1075) < Auda-Hari-seel :
> > > seel not saal.
> > > Selles < Selis (826)
> >
> > Do you have a source on this?
> >
> > > People who claim this area once was Dutch are grossly
> > > under-informed.
> >
> > Please inform me.
> >
> > Torsten
> > ===========
> M. Pedersen :
>
> I have uploaded a map of Northern France around 1200 AD.
> DELMAIRE_2_map.jpg
>
> I help you understand the situation :

And now present your own spin on the map.

> The triangle-line is the line that separates Western-Flemish from
> French.
> This line remained stable for centuries.
> It shows the area north of which Germanic settlers were numerous
> enough to impose a Germanic vernacular.
>
> The thick black-line is the maximum expansion of Germanic settlers
> toward the south.
> South of this line, there are no Germanic-language village-names.

According to the French text, south of the that line, they are very
rare. I observe that you are helping me by improving the translation?

> Between these two lines, is a kind of buffer-area
> where neither French nor Germanic languages were strong enough to
> impose a clear vernacular.

> South of the dotted area,
> Germanic-language toponyms are often distorted according to French
> phonetics,
> And are even reinterpreted according to FRench
> such as BullingBerg becoming Mont-Lambert.
> It means French speakers probably were more numerous.

No, it means the area was re-conquested (by the French, presumably) by
the IX century, says the French text. That means that before that time
it was not politically French, and if the names have been Romanised,
as the text says, that means they were Germanic before, ie. that there
was once a Germanic-speaking majority in the area.

> North of the dotted line and south of the triangle line, is the
> area which became a French-only area sometimes between 900 and 1200.
> It gradually became French-only at an unknown time.
>
> You can see the Saxon-intruders clear area around Boulogne.

What do you mean? Free of Saxon intruders? The map says the opposite.

> If you have any question, please ask.

Here's a question: why makes you think I can't read the text?


Torsten