From: Mate Kapović
Message: 51471
Date: 2008-01-19
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@...> wrote:It's nice to know it's so old :)
>
>> Mate Kapović wrote:
>>
>> > Well, "I'll fuck your mother" definitely *sounds* like a curse...
>> > In Croatia, we have a version of this one including the dog.
>
>> May you be "blessed/cursed" by a dog? We have it too (<pies cie,
>> jebal/>), and the phrase must be quite old. Samuel Linde's
>> monumental Dictionary of the Polish Language (1815) has it (Linde
>> was an undaunted lexicographer, too much in love with words to
>> regard anything as taboo).
>
>
> The phrase is old, no doubt... What was until recently the oldest
> recorded curse in Slavic contains exactly such a phrase. In a letter
> to the citizens of Sibiu the voevoda Alexander, a son of the ruler of
> Wallachia Mircha (1386-1418), says:
>
> "+ Sibincem vysem. ... Da zashto sme stoiali protiva pogani ezik, a
> vie ni podvigate zli rechi, kako se otmetnahme ot gospodina krale i
> dadohmo se tourcem. Togo radi nie slouzhimo gospodinou kralju i
> svetomou vencou, i da spodobi bogy, da se priblizhit gospodiny kral,
> da stanemo pred nim, DA KTO SHTE SLYGATI, DA MOU EBE P(')S' ZHENOU I
> MATERE MOU. Aze i poidoh ou tourci, poidoh za moa nevola, i ouchinih
> pokoi zemi, koliko es ostanala, i vysem vamy, i izvadih si g~ haliadi
> robie, ..."
>
> ( p. 50-51 in: L. Miletich, Dako-romynite i tjahnata slavjanska
> pismenost'. Novi vlaho-bylgarski gramoti ot Brashovy. Chast' II,
> 1896. http://www.kroraina.com/knigi/lm/lm_6a.htm#g12 ,
> http://www.kroraina.com/knigi/lm/gal/051.html )