Re: Brugmann's Law

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From: Rick McCallister

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Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 8:53 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Brugmann's Law

See Arabic Hbb "heart, beloved"
What was the AA form?
The Semitic and Egyptian forms aren't enough

--- Patrick Ryan <proto-language@ msn.com> wrote:

> For whatever it may be worth, I believe yeb is
> derived from PIE *yebh-, in turn derived from
> ¿E-P?FO, 'abdomen place' (cf. Egyptian jb, 'heart').
>
> So its basic meaning, IMHO, is 'bump bellies'.
>
>
> Patrick
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick
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> Sent: Thursday, January 17, 2008 7:53 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Brugmann's Law
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>
> So can you figure out the IE-ness of them. Perhaps
> with IE curse words, Balto-Slavic could qualify as
> the
> branch closest to IE.
> kura (sp?) is obviously related to English whore,
> ho
> and German hure
> pizda seems related to a slew of p- words referred
> to
> the vulva
> govno --no clue, even if the president of my
> country
> is a govnoedi
> yebe --no clue
> Regarding English --I'm guessing the ubiquitous f-
> word is related to Sp. picar
>
> --- ualarauans
>
<ualarauans@... com<mailto:ualarauans% 40yahoo.com> >
> wrote:
>
> > --- In
>
cybalist@... s.com<mailto:cybalist% 40yahoogroups. com>,
> Piotr Gasiorowski
> > <gpiotr@...>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > On 2008-01-17 22:11, ualarauans wrote:
> > >
> > > > Could you please recommend some reliable and
> > easy-to-get source
> > for
> > > > the origin and etymology of these words?
> > >
> > > I wonder if there is one. Etymological
> > dictionaries may be
> > helpful, but
> > > I don't think it has occured to anyone to
> write a
> > monograph about
> > > obscene words in Slavic (which is a pity). And
> as
> > for
> > dictionaries. .. I
> > > have just discovered, to my severe
> disappointed,
> > that Vasmer's
> > Russian
> > > etymological dictionary, otherwise so
> complete,
> > has none of the
> > three
> > > worst ones (by which I mean two nouns and one
> > verb). How
> > Victorian! Just
> > > like the New English Dictionary omitting the
> two
> > most tabooed
> > English
> > > tetragrammata. Derksen has an entry for the
> verb
> > *(j)ebati,
> > presumably
> > > because its Sanskrit and Greek cognates make
> it
> > too time-honoured
> > to be
> > > ignored, but I can't see the nouns there.
> Aren't
> > the Baltic and
> > Albanian
> > > connections of *pizda 'cunt' respectable
> enough?
> > Even good old
> > Pokorny
> > > has an entry for it!
> > >
> > > Those words present interesting comparative
> > problems and certainly
> > > deserve to be discussed; in particular the
> exact
> > relation of Gk.
> > oípHo:
> > > (and zépHuros) to *jebati and Skt. yábHati
> _has_
> > been much
> > discussed
> > > (however, without reaching firm conclusions) .
> > There is a brief
> > > discussion of these issues in Beekes's Greek
> > dictionary in the
> > relevant
> > > entries.
> >
> > Thanks for the clues. BTW I heard a weird idea
> that
> > these words
> > originally were a part of a sacral vocabulary
> > utilized in fertility
> > cults and that their semantic degradation
> started
> > with Christianity.
> > Etymological parallels in other IE languages if
> > found could shed
> > some light upon this.
> >
> > Makovsky in his Sravnitel'nyj slovar'
> > mifologic^eskoj simvoliki v
> > indoevropejskix jazykax (1996) reconstructs for
> the
> > "basic formula"
> > _j**b tvoju mat'_ the original meaning "be thou
> > cursed with [my]
> > word/hand" (pp. 188-201, s.v. kliatva). I'm not
> sure
> > if that makes
> > sense. Opinions?
> >
> >
>
>
>
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