From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 51329
Date: 2008-01-16
----- Original Message -----From: fournet.arnaudSent: Wednesday, January 16, 2008 3:12 PMSubject: Re: Re: Re: Re: Re: [tied] Brugmann's Law
<snip>============ ===The ultimate PIE root is *ka(:)r-, 'hard'; to it, either -*bhi, 'animal', or -*pi, 'insect', may be added as in *embhi-/*empi- .Semitic has chose -*bh(i); PIE has chosen -*pi in this word.They are related but only through *ka(:)r- probably because -*bh(Ii) was used for 'crab'.PCR============ =ArnaudImpossible.The -k- in skorpion is unvoiced because of s-.Otherwise from q, one should expect -g- (no fuzzy law in that case)This root for "skorpion" is : k?_r_p.And the assumption that -p "must" be a suffix is superficial-r- can also be an infixMore data is needed to see clear.And there is no need to re-analyse k?_r_p = "scorpion"============(3)***Arabic <q> represents PIE *k, *k^, *g, or *g^, depending on its source.***It had at least these.And some others."Laryngeals" is a misleading wordNot all disappeared phonemes are "laryngeal"they are functionally "laryngeal" but phoneticallythey are not "laryngeal".Arnaud(2)***What in Heaven's name is "functionally 'laryngeal'" ?PCR***H2 is a class of proto-phonemes that :- colors in /a/, what is described by *e in orthodox PIEThis class of phonemes includes :- ? & h (functionally + phonetically laryngeal)- z dz s? ts? (only functionally laryngeal)I hope this can meet your level of understanding.Arnaud============ ========= ===(3)***Sorry, I cannot get down low enough to reach your level.The idea that z/dz/s?/ts?/ produce effects analogous with *H is truly dysfunctional.***This is non senseNot a word of it is worth consideringArnaud============ =A judgment of nonsense from a person who cannot spell the word is hardly confidence inspiring.Patrick***That reminds me of a sentence about Nixon :"this is not a man : he's a word-processor. "What about confidence-inspirin g with <-> ?Does it tell about the author ?Arnaud(3)***Since I have never used "<->" to indicate anything, I cannot say.Patrick***.