Re: apples on a stick

No one said there was only one word --just that apple
and malus are likely connected.
Regarding umar-, ask your colleagues. It does look as
if it could be related to malum. But the resemblance
may be superficial.
Apple words are sometimes the generic word for fruit
in many languages. The Wikipedia article mentions that
was the case in English until Early Modern English.
This also seems to be the case in Ancient Greek --at
least to an extent, where there are several fruit
names based on melon (sp?). Quince, peach, etc. are
based on adjectives for what were originally seen as
variants of apple.
Given that apples were the original sweet fruit, I
wonder if the word is not related to *mel- "honey".
Some, of course, relate it to ball because of its
shape.
I let my fellow wonder warthogs fight it out. BTW:
Wonder Warthog was an absurd underground comic hero c.
1970s.


--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

> Arnaud to Wonder Warthogs :
>
> I am still in need of some good old explanations
> about this one and only word for the "apple" thing.
> I will be gladdestmost to understand what :
>
> *abel, *(u-)mar, *maH2-l, *waH1-l and sagar
>
> have in common ??
> You mean these are one word ??
> What could a proto-word accounting for these data
> sound like ?
> Please suggest something.
> Don't be afraid. Be laughable does not kill.
>
> I quote :
> ========
> "How anybody would show that this is not a
> Wanderwort (ie.> well-traveled loanword) I can't
> fathom.
> Torsten
> ===========
> They do not look at all like one and only word...
> they aren't a wanderwort because they aren't even
> one same word.
>
> Please explain this story about a well-travelled
> loanword.
>
> I love stories and fairytales.
>
> Arnaud
> ===================
>
>

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\piet&first=1

> PIE : *abel "apple"
>
> Mordvin : (u-)mar "apple"
> (NB : not a loanword from indo-iranian : should be
> mal)
>
>

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=1&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&text_meaning=apple&method_meaning=substring&text_hitt=&method_hitt=substring&text_tokh=&method_tokh=substring&text_ind=&method_ind=substring&text_avest=&method_avest=substring&text_iran=&method_iran=substring&text_arm=&method_arm=substring&text_greek=&method_greek=substring&text_slav=&method_slav=substring&text_balt=&method_balt=substring&text_germ=&method_germ=substring&text_lat=&method_lat=substring&text_ital=&method_ital=substring&text_celt=&method_celt=substring&text_alb=&method_alb=substring&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&text_refer=&method_refer=substring&text_comment=&method_comment=substring&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto

>
> PIE : maH2l "apple"
>
>

http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Ckart%5Ckartet&first=1&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&text_meaning=apple&method_meaning=substring&text_gru=&method_gru=substring&text_grmean=&method_grmean=substring&text_egrmean=&method_egrmean=substring&text_meg=&method_meg=substring&text_mgmean=&method_mgmean=substring&text_emgmean=&method_emgmean=substring&text_sva=&method_sva=substring&text_svmean=&method_svmean=substring&text_esvmean=&method_esvmean=substring&text_laz=&method_laz=substring&text_lzmean=&method_lzmean=substring&text_elzmean=&method_elzmean=substring&text_notes=&method_notes=substring&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto

>
> Kartvelian : *wash-l
> I will reconstruct this one step further as
> *waH1-l
>
> Anatolian : sam-l-
>
> Basque : sagar
>
> Arnaud
> =================
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:55 PM
> Subject: [tied] apples on a stick
>
>
> Indeed, only Wonder Warthog could deny the
> ubiquity of
> the apple wanderwort. It seems to be along the
> lines
> of wheel and ball. There was a popular book on the
> origin of food I read a a while that stated that
> domesticated edible apples, as opposed to
> crabapples
> or sour apples, were from China, I believe
> Sichuan,
> and spread from there via cuttings, that apples
> from
> seed never breed true and are almost invaribly
> inedible. I only know what the book says and can't
> vouch for it, but as they say "apples on a stick,
> make
> me sick".
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> > wrote:
> [snip]
> > Apples at the bottom of
> >
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/Opr.html
> > from IE to Basque to Proto-Turkic to Kartvelian;
> it
> > seems to be the
> > same root. How anybody would show that this is
> not a
> > Wanderwort (ie.
> > well-traveled loanword) I can't fathom.
> >
> >
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>

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