Re: apples on a stick

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 50923
Date: 2007-12-16

Arnaud to Wonder Warthogs :
 
I am still in need of some good old explanations
about this one and only word for the "apple" thing.
I will be gladdestmost to understand what :
 
*abel, *(u-)mar, *maH2-l, *waH1-l and sagar
 
have in common ??
You mean these are one word ??
What could a proto-word accounting for these data sound like ?
Please suggest something.
Don't be afraid. Be laughable does not kill.
 
I quote :
========
"How anybody would show that this is not a
Wanderwort (ie.> well-traveled loanword) I can't fathom. 
Torsten
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They do not look at all like one and only word...
they aren't a wanderwort because they aren't even one same word.
 
Please explain this story about a well-travelled loanword.
 
I love stories and fairytales.
 
Arnaud
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http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=\data\ie\piet&first=1
PIE : *abel "apple"
 
Mordvin : (u-)mar "apple"
(NB : not a loanword from indo-iranian : should be mal)
 
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Cie%5Cpiet&first=1&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&text_meaning=apple&method_meaning=substring&text_hitt=&method_hitt=substring&text_tokh=&method_tokh=substring&text_ind=&method_ind=substring&text_avest=&method_avest=substring&text_iran=&method_iran=substring&text_arm=&method_arm=substring&text_greek=&method_greek=substring&text_slav=&method_slav=substring&text_balt=&method_balt=substring&text_germ=&method_germ=substring&text_lat=&method_lat=substring&text_ital=&method_ital=substring&text_celt=&method_celt=substring&text_alb=&method_alb=substring&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&text_refer=&method_refer=substring&text_comment=&method_comment=substring&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto
 
PIE : maH2l "apple"
 
http://starling.rinet.ru/cgi-bin/response.cgi?root=config&morpho=0&basename=%5Cdata%5Ckart%5Ckartet&first=1&text_proto=&method_proto=substring&text_rusmean=&method_rusmean=substring&text_meaning=apple&method_meaning=substring&text_gru=&method_gru=substring&text_grmean=&method_grmean=substring&text_egrmean=&method_egrmean=substring&text_meg=&method_meg=substring&text_mgmean=&method_mgmean=substring&text_emgmean=&method_emgmean=substring&text_sva=&method_sva=substring&text_svmean=&method_svmean=substring&text_esvmean=&method_esvmean=substring&text_laz=&method_laz=substring&text_lzmean=&method_lzmean=substring&text_elzmean=&method_elzmean=substring&text_notes=&method_notes=substring&text_any=&method_any=substring&sort=proto
 
Kartvelian : *wash-l
I will reconstruct this one step further as
*waH1-l
 
Anatolian : sam-l-
 
Basque : sagar
 
Arnaud
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----- Original Message -----
From: Rick McCallister
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, December 16, 2007 6:55 PM
Subject: [tied] apples on a stick

Indeed, only Wonder Warthog could deny the ubiquity of
the apple wanderwort. It seems to be along the lines
of wheel and ball. There was a popular book on the
origin of food I read a a while that stated that
domesticated edible apples, as opposed to crabapples
or sour apples, were from China, I believe Sichuan,
and spread from there via cuttings, that apples from
seed never breed true and are almost invaribly
inedible. I only know what the book says and can't
vouch for it, but as they say "apples on a stick, make
me sick".

--- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:
> wrote:
[snip]
> Apples at the bottom of
> http://www.angelfir e.com/rant/ tgpedersen/ Opr.html
> from IE to Basque to Proto-Turkic to Kartvelian; it
> seems to be the
> same root. How anybody would show that this is not a
> Wanderwort (ie.
> well-traveled loanword) I can't fathom.
>
>
> Torsten
>
>
>

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