Re: -leben/-lev/-löv and -ung-

From: tgpedersen
Message: 50800
Date: 2007-12-09

> > [...]
> > It would be, if Germanic settlement names had survived in the area
> > later colonized by Slavs (approx. the ex-GDR). There seems to be a
> > general agreement in the sources I have seen that they didn't.
>
> There's an article by Tomasz Czarnecki dealing with Gothic loans in
> Polish [http://www.fh.ug.gda.pl/images/Czarnecki.pdf%5d. He lists
> Polish Gdan'sk and Torun' under the category of "mögliche
> Entlehnungsfälle" (pp. 11-13). Now if these settlement names are
> indeed Gothic, they must have survived the later Slavic colonization
> of what is now
> Poland.

The question was whether we should expect there to be -leben on Polish
territory. I don't think the presence of two possible surviving
Germanic placenames forces us to expect that.

As for Torun´, it might have to do with the many Tor-/Tur- names in
the rest of Europe, and thus be pre-Germanic (experience advises me
against venturing into speculations again about the god Þórr being
earlier than Odin).
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29578
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29562
http://tech.groups.yahoo.com/group/cybalist/message/29016
etc.


Torsten