Re: Res: Res: Res: [tied] Re: Etimology of Hellene / Amerigo, Laudom

Supposedly in some local records he was referred to as
Alberigo. I read this years ago and I;ve forgotten the
source, but I think they were records referring to his
brother or some other male relative, in which he was
mentioned.
But I do like your derivation from haim-rix

--- Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
wrote:

> In the exchanges Vespucci has with his Florentine
> patrons the Medici of the Popolano branch, he always
> signs Amerigo.
>
> Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ yahoo.com> escreveu:
> Vespucci, supposedly,
> was referred to as Amerigo as
> well as Alberigo
>
> --- Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
> wrote:
>
> > The name Amerigo is well attested. There is for
> > example a noted individual, Amerigo di Filippo
> > Cavalcanti who was a wealthy merchant with
> interests
> > in 14th century Naples and Athens. His
> granddaughter
> > Ginevra di Giovanni di Amerigo married Lorenzo
> de'
> > Medici il Popolano.
> >
> > There are many documents that mention ser
> Amerigo,
> > and they never mispell the name. The confusion
> > probably arose because both names sound quite
> > similar.
> >
> > These 14th century Italian names are fascinating:
> > take Laudomia. It's misinterpreted as ``laudation
> of
> > the house.'' In fact it stems from Greek
> laodámia,
> > lady tamer of the people (the current head of the
> > Pucci enterprises is Laudomia Pucci, I think).
> >
> > And - how about Gugliarello? Riccomanno?
> >
> > Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@ yahoo.com>
> escreveu:
> > I've also seen
> Amerigo
> > as from Alberigo "all bright"
> >
> > --- Francisco Antonio Doria
> <doriagen@... com.br>
> > wrote:
> >
> > > I'm going to check it. It's rather obscure,
> like
> > > Haimrich > Amerigo, ou Nibelung > Napoleone.
> > >
> > > "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br>
> escreveu:
> >
> > >
> > > Aleramo could be from Germanic All- "all".
> > >
> > > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > > De: Francisco Antonio Doria
> > <doriagen@... com.br>
> > > Para: cybalist@... s.com
> > > Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007
> > > 11:27:43
> > > Assunto: Re: Res: Res: [tied] Re: Etimology of
> > > Hellene
> > >
> > > My own guess is that
> it
> > is
> > > derived from Helléne. Liguria has a tradition
> for
> > > weird first names: Aleramo, Napoleone (very
> > common
> > > among the Lomellini), for example. I don't
> recall
> > > the actual etimology for Aleramo, but
> Napoleone
> > is
> > > derived from... Nibelung!
> > >
> > > (Later the Orsini adopted Napoleone as one of
> > their
> > > main first names.)
> > >
> > > The Counts Nibelung were a side branch of the
> > > Carolingians; their seat was at Nivelles,
> > Belgium,
> > > whereas their name. Later a pop etimology was
> > > concocted: out of Nebel, mist.
> > >
> > > "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br>
> > escreveu:
> > >
> > > Hi, Francisco!
> > > Perhaps a cross of Juliana with Hellena?
> > >
> > > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > > De: Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@...
> > com.br>
> > > Para: cybalist@... s.com
> > > Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007
> > > 4:20:09
> > > Assunto: Re: Res: [tied] Re: Ethymology of
> > Hellene
> > >
> > > Hi, João :))
> > >
> > > And the derivation of (Ligurian, middle ages)
> > > Eliano/Eliana from Helléne ?
> > >
> > > "Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br>
> > escreveu:
> > >
> > > Hellens' eponym is Helle:n. Would be it linked
> to
> > > Helle: (cf. Hellespontos) ?
> > > Sedla:n- < *Sedla:-
> > > Hellas (-ad-) < *Sedla(:)-d-
> > > Maybe Helle:n < *Sedla-wen- ?
> > >
> > > Maybe Hellas meant *SedlaH "the settlement",
> or
> > "the
> > > colony", or something like that...
> > >
> > > ----- Mensagem original ----
> > > De: stlatos <stlatos@... com>
> > > Para: cybalist@... s.com
> > > Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 28 de Novembro de 2007
> > > 0:36:06
> > > Assunto: [tied] Re: Ethymology of Hellene
> > >
> > > --- In
> > cybalist@...
> > > s.com, "homermakedonski"
> > > <homermakedonski@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > > A more scientific
> > > > approach considers this an aitiological
> myth
> > > > <http://www.biologyd aily.com/
> > biology/Aitiolog
> > > y> , placing the origin of
> > > > the name in Epirus <http://www.biologyd
> > aily.com/
> > > biology/Epirus> , the
> > > > land of the Dorians <http://www.biologyd
> > > aily.com/ biology/Dorians> ,
> > > > where people were called Selloi or Helloi.
> The
> > > etymology of the term is
> > > > *sedlenes, meaning "settlers"
> > >
> > > This is probably basically correct, though
> I'd
> > say
> > > it was a
> > > derivation from noun *sed(t)lo+ 'seat' >>
> verb
> > > *sedlax+ 'settle' >>
> > > noun *sedlaxno+s 'settler' which was put into
> > the
> > > C-stems later.
> > >
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