Re: Cognates & etymology of English net

From: alexandru_mg3
Message: 50684
Date: 2007-12-03

Sorry please Read
Old Greek: ptorthos (I didn't arrive to put the right accent on 'o)

Marius


--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@...>
wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> >
> > On 2007-12-03 11:28, alexandru_mg3 wrote:
> >
> > > I suspect that we have here a compound word ( PAlb. *na -
> *parka? ) but
> > > I couldn't fix yet the second part with a high probability
> > >
> > > Any help here?
> >
> > I wonder if it isn't Lat. natrice- --> something like PAlb.
> *nätrika >
> > *netërka > nepërkë ~ nëpërkë through irregular distortion (or
> perhaps
> > even folk-etymological contamination with <nëpër> 'through'),
> borrowed
> > into Romanian in the distorted form. Just a guess, but I can't
> offer a
> > better idea at the moment.
> >
> > Piotr
> >
>
>
> As on my side, Piotr:
>
>
> Rom./Alb. nëpërkë is really the "Balkan ancient name" of
> Vipera_ammodytes
>
>
> url: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vipera_ammodytes
> http://www.venomousreptiles.org/articles/268
>
>
> The today name of this snake in Romanian is:
> 'vipera cu corn' -> 'horned viper' in English (and of
> course 'nëpërkë' either)
>
> This snake has his central habitat: the Balkans and he has a kind
> of 'small horn, small pole, small twig' as 'distinct sign of his
nose'
>
> Following this semantism, the reconstruction of nëpërkë will be:
>
> nëpërkë < PIE *(s)nh1-e *pert-(i)k-eh2
>
> where:
>
> PIE *(s)nh1- 'snake'
> --------------------
>
> PIE *pert- 'pole, sharp/young twig, sprout'
> -------------------------------------------
> Armenian: ort'
> Old Greek: ptoìrthos
> Slavic: *perka:
> Latin: pertica
>
> So the Balkan Latin name (< today Romanian) "vipera cu corn"
> ->'horned viper' is ONLY a simple translation of the ancient Balkan
> nomination:
>
> Romanian/Albanian nëpërkë <
> *Dacian *neperka: < [k < tk; n < sn] <
> *Early-Dacian *(s)ne-*pertka: <
> PIE *(s)nh1-e *pert-(i)k-eh2
> with the original meaning 'horned viper' too...
>
>
> Marius
>
>
> P.S. If you don't trust this etymology please take a look first at
> the very nice picture at:
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Image:Vipera_ammodytes_2.jpg
> You can well see that the *pert- ...is there :)
>