From: Joao S. Lopes
Message: 50669
Date: 2007-12-03
My own guess is that it is derived from Helléne. Liguria has a tradition for weird first names: Aleramo, Napoleone (very common among the Lomellini), for example. I don't recall the actual etimology for Aleramo, but Napoleone is derived from... Nibelung!
(Later the Orsini adopted Napoleone as one of their main first names.)
The Counts Nibelung were a side branch of the Carolingians; their seat was at Nivelles, Belgium, whereas their name. Later a pop etimology was concocted: out of Nebel, mist.
"Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> escreveu:
Hi, Francisco!
Perhaps a cross of Juliana with Hellena?----- Mensagem original ----
De: Francisco Antonio Doria <doriagen@... com.br>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Sexta-feira, 30 de Novembro de 2007 4:20:09
Assunto: Re: Res: [tied] Re: Ethymology of Hellene
Hi, João :))
And the derivation of (Ligurian, middle ages) Eliano/Eliana from Helléne ?
"Joao S. Lopes" <josimo70@... com.br> escreveu:Hellens' eponym is Helle:n. Would be it linked to Helle: (cf. Hellespontos) ?
Sedla:n- < *Sedla:-
Hellas (-ad-) < *Sedla(:)-d-
Maybe Helle:n < *Sedla-wen- ?
Maybe Hellas meant *SedlaH "the settlement", or "the colony", or something like that...----- Mensagem original ----
De: stlatos <stlatos@... com>
Para: cybalist@... s.com
Enviadas: Quarta-feira, 28 de Novembro de 2007 0:36:06
Assunto: [tied] Re: Ethymology of Hellene
--- In cybalist@... s.com, "homermakedonski"
<homermakedonski@ ...> wrote:
> A more scientific
> approach considers this an aitiological myth
> <http://www.biologyd aily.com/ biology/Aitiolog y> , placing the origin of
> the name in Epirus <http://www.biologyd aily.com/ biology/Epirus> , the
> land of the Dorians <http://www.biologyd aily.com/ biology/Dorians> ,
> where people were called Selloi or Helloi. The etymology of the term is
> *sedlenes, meaning "settlers"
This is probably basically correct, though I'd say it was a
derivation from noun *sed(t)lo+ 'seat' >> verb *sedlax+ 'settle' >>
noun *sedlaxno+s 'settler' which was put into the C-stems later.
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