Fw: Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

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From: Patrick Ryan

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Subject: [Courrier indésirable] Re: Re: [tied] Anser (was: swallow vs. nighingale)

MR. Ryan wrote :

 

As it happens, there is an Arabic word which in one of its stem forms _may_ possibly be compared with PIE *pleH-, namely ?aflaHa, 'prosperous' /fala:H-un, 'prosperity' , by way of 'provided with abundance/fullness' .

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I previously wrote :

Yukaghir pojo- : a lot (l > yod is regular in Siberian languages)

Niger Touareg : balal : full, abundant (this language has no b/p contrast)

Arabic : Hafil : full (note that H1 is initial in Arabic not final : pel-H1-)

Hieroglyphic Egyptian (with vowels) : Hipu:lil : abondant (H1 initial)

 

There is no alternative to super-cognate status for root *p_l : full, abundant.

 

NB : Uralic forms pal/pol are tainted by PIE and I disagree they may be cognates.

They are at best cognates, secondarily tainted by IE words, or IE loanwords.

Arnaud

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A.F : (new on Dec 02)

According to Kazimirsky :

?a:fi:l : to make abundant or numerous (rendre abondant ou nombreux)

Hafl : abundant, numerous ; plenty of (abondant, nombreux ; grand nombre)

Ha:fil : full (plein) 

Hafi:l : numerous, abundant (nombreux, abondant).

I maintain that the root in these words is *p_l as in PIE pl-eH1 or pol-u.

 

The word you were suggesting :

fala:H "salvation, delivery ; happiness"

is a particular use of the root : to cut f_l_H

for example to cut the ground : hence Fellah : peasant = earth-cutter.

 

the meaning f_l_H : to become happy, to succeed

is to be compared with Break-through as a semantic evolution of break.

In this case, it is "to cut-through" = to succeed

 

Fa:laH is both : cutting, splitting, ploughing and successfull, happy.

 

F_l_H has nothing to do with the meaning "full, abundant, numerous".

It never has this meaning and originates in a different root.

 

Arnaud.

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