Re: swallow vs. nighingale, PASSer

Spanish /f/ > /h, x, ç/ is still productive in rural
and lower social class Spanish.
As you know, Spanish /f/ was usually not affected
before diphthongs stressed on the first vowel, e.g.
<ue, ui>, <ie> and before /l, r/. You do hear this /f/

> /H/, however, among uneducated people, e.g. <flor>

as /hlor/, <fuerte> as /hwerte/, perfume (loanword) as
/perhumenes/, etc.
There are also doublets from non-Castillian
Ibero-Romance e.g. <hierro> "iron", <fierro> "branding
iron"
While <h> is silent in standard Spanish, it's often
pronounced in rural Spanish and also used for emphasis
or comic effect <hediondo> "stinky", <jediondo>
"stanky", <guaro juerte> "powerful strong booze". Some
of these pronuncations have entered everyday language
as the normal everyday word --e.g. jalar from standard
halar (often written as such but almost never
pronounced as such) and joder < <hoder> --never
pronounced as such anywhere as far as I know.


--- alexandru_mg3 <alexandru_mg3@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3"
> <alexandru_mg3@...>
> wrote:
> > 1. the basque influence is strong in
> Spanish-Romance (see Spanish
> h
> > < Latin f, etc...)
> >
> > From Wikipedia;
> > " The change from Latin 'f-' to Spanish 'h-'
> (discussed at length
> > below) is commonly ascribed to the influence of
> Basque speakers for
> a
> > few reasons. The change from f to h was first
> documented in the
> areas
> > around Castile and La Rioja, areas where many
> Basques were known to
> > have lived. The change to h took place to a
> greater degree in the
> > Gascon language in Gascony in France, an area also
> inhabited by
> > Basques. The Basque language lacked the f sound
> and thus
> substituted
> > it with h, the closest thing to f in that
> language.
> > "
>
> Some examples Spanish h < Latin f
>

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> Spanish Portuguese Romanian Latin English
> hierro ferro fier(u) ferrum 'iron'
> hijo filho fiu filius 'son'
> hecho facto fapt(u) factum 'fact'
> haya faia fag(u) fagus 'beech'
> hablar falar n/a fabulare 'to speak'
>

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>
> (u) -> the det. forms: are fierul, faptul, fagul
> (lupul etc..)
>
>
> Marius
>
>
>
>

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