From: stlatos
Message: 50362
Date: 2007-10-19
>I've discussed this before:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Piotr Gasiorowski <gpiotr@> wrote:
> >
> > On 2007-10-18 16:34, Joao S. Lopes wrote:
> >
> > > Is there any relation between Latin and Greek names for swallow,
> Hirundo
> > > and Khelidon?
> > >
> > > hirundo: < *gHirundon-, *gHirondon-
> > > khelidon < *gHelidon-
> >
> > Gk. kHeli:dó:n seems to reflect *kHeli(:)d-wo:n (attested with a
> digamma
> > as a female personal name), which complicates the comparison.
> >
> > Piotr
> ************
> I think that to some kind of the same root leads as well Alb. (g.)
> dallandyshe/(t.) dallëndyshe 'swallow' < *g'hol-ont- (*g'h- > d-, l >
> ll / V_V) probably through late interpretation of formant -ont- in
> -dyshe 'two parts'. As far as I know there is no consensus that PIE
> languages have had common word for 'swallow'.
--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Sean Whalen <stlatos@...> wrote:
> Possibly also
>
> gYhel-xW+xYdó+ >
> gYhel-xY-dxWó+ >
> gYhel-xY-dwó+
>
> 'being yellow > being bright (white) > '
>
> khelidwó:n 'swallow', Middle Irish gelbund 'sparrow'
I've modified this theory since then, but most of the complications
are irrelevant for comparison; simplifying, it's basically:
nom. gYh(e)l-xW-dó:n
weak gYh(e)l-xW-dn+
with changes in many so that:
nom. gYh(e)l-xW-dó:n > gYh(e)l-x-dwó:n
weak gYh(e)l-xW-dn+ > gYh(e)l-Vnd+
then mixing in the paradigm to gYh(e)l-Vndwó:n or some similar form
which then may suffer dissimilation of n-n, metathesis, etc:
To Latin:
gYhel-xW-dó:n
gYhel-u-dó:n
gYhel-u-dó:n gYhel-und+
gYhel-un-dó:n gYhel-und+
gYhil-un-dó:n gYhel-und+
To Greek:
gYhel-xW-dó:n
gYhel-x-dwó:n
gYhel-i-dwó:n
gYhel-i-dwó:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-in-dwó:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-i:-dwó:n gYhel-ind+ dis.
To Celtic:
gYhel-xW-dó:n
gYhel-x-dwó:n
gYhel-i-dwó:n
gYhel-i-dwó:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-in-dwó:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-in-dwu:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-i-dwu:n gYhel-ind+ dis.
gYhel-dwu:n gYhel-ind+
gYhel-wu:nd gYhel-ind+ met.
To Albanian:
gYhl-xW-dó:n
gYhl-x-dwó:n
gYhl-a-dwó:n
gYhl-a-dwó:n gYhl-and+
gYhl-an-dwó:n gYhl-and+
gYhal-an-dwó:n gYhal-and+
gYhal-an-dwu:n gYhal-and+
gYhal-an-du:n gYhal-and+
gYhal-an-du:s gYhal-and+ dis.