Re: Re[6]: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

You wrote

OHG stantan as Infinitive.
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A.F :
Kluge has ste:n and sta:n
as infinitives for Old High German.
Forms that also exist in Nederlants.

How do you account for this form ?
when other languages have stand/stant ?

Old English has
Ic stande ; thu stentst ; he stent.

And Modern German has :
Ich stehe ; du stiehst ; er stieht.

How do you account for this ?

1 you provided Data that do not exist : Gotic **stathans
2. you avoid mentioning troublesome data : sta:n/ste:n.

Moreover,

Many mails, written by other people, have provided
considerable indication that :
1. Native speakers of Germanic languages
do not know how many 'to be" verbs exist in Old English,
They happen to mis-count them as being three,
although they are four.

2. Old Norse has plenty of forms
that do not concord with one another as regards apophony.
See previous mails.

I think you are not making a convincing plead.

The data you have provided is not clean.

You wrote : "In short, your example doesn't support your claim"

I think "your tinkered data do not support your claim".


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----- Original Message -----
From: "Brian M. Scott" <BMScott@...>
To: "fournet.arnaud" <cybalist@yahoogroups.com>
Sent: Saturday, October 13, 2007 8:13 AM
Subject: Re[6]: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian


> At 3:53:26 AM on Sunday, September 30, 2007, fournet.arnaud
> wrote:
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> [I had written:]
>
>>> Early attestations of OE, ON, OSax, and OHG are far too
>>> similar to be the result of some three millennia of
>>> divergence; the suggestion can't be taken seriously.
>
> [...]
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>> I don't think these languages are that much similar. I(ch)
>> stand means present in English : past : I got up in
>> German.
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> The modern German preterite <stand> is altogether
> irrelevant: it's a 17th century innovation, and I was
> talking about the early Gmc. dialects. The relevant data
> for this verb are as follows:
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> Pret. Pret. Past
> Inf. Sing. Plur. Part.
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> Goth. standan sto:þ sto:þum *staþans
> OE standan sto:d sto:don standen
> OSax standan sto:d sto:dun standan
> stuond
> OHG stantan stuont stuontun gistantan
> (stuot)
> ON standa stóð stóðu staðinn
>
> The vowels match perfectly. All have the n-infix in the
> present. In OE, OSax, and OHG it was extended to the past
> part. as well, and in OHG and OSax it infiltrated the pret.
> as well, though OHG <stuot> appears sporadically as late as
> the 12th century. These minor differences in the extent to
> which the nasal infix spread from the present to the rest of
> the paradigm do almost nothing to obscure the obvious
> identity of these verbs.
>
> In short, your example doesn't support your claim.
>
> [...]
>
> Brian
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