From: urba_kestutis
Message: 50182
Date: 2007-09-30
>ARCHAEOLOGICAL INFORMATION
> Then he changed his mind from what I remember him
> saying a few years back. No shame in that.
>
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
>
> > Saami, supposedly has 25% pre-Uralic substrate and I
> > have no clue about any substrate in Finnish.
> > I've always wondered about shared substrate among
> > Germanic, Saami, Balto-Finnic and Baltic --but none
> > of
> > you will get up off your duffs and figure it out for
> > me.
> > ===============
> > A.F
> > If you read Ante Aikio's works,
> > you will notice that he rejects the word
> > "autochtonous" and "substrate"
> > See
> >
> http://www.ling.helsinki.fi/sky/julkaisut/SKY2005/Aikio.pdf
> >
> > page 10.
> >
> > Also :
> > http://www.oulu.fi/nak22/absu2.html
> >
> > Ante Aikio, University of Oulu, Giellagas Institute
> >
> > The origin of Saami: a critical look at
> > archaeological and linguistic evidence
> > The paper provides a critical review of the
> > suggested connections between various archaeological
> > cultures and the Saami language. In addition, recent
> > results in comparative linguistics are summarized.
> > It is shown that the loanword strata in the Saami
> > languages are inconsistent with an assumption of a
> > long Saami ethnic continuity in Lapland. The
> > evidence suggests that the Proto-Saami language and
> > Saami ethnic identity first emerged at a more
> > southern latitude and spread to its present
> > territory only in the early Iron Age. Consequently,
> > any archaeological culture in Lapland prior to the
> > Iron Age is best characterized as non-Saami.
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: fournet.arnaud
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:22 PM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> > as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick McCallister
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> > as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> > So when do you think the Saami began speaking
> > Uralic
> >
> > ==============
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > What do you mean ?
> >
> > Saami people are obviously Uralic, and never
> > spoke anything but Uralic.
> >
> > Saami is definitely conservative, in the Uralic
> > family.
> >
> > ===================
> >
> >
> > and the Finns moved into Finland?
> >
> > =================
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > They moved into Eastern Europe,
> >
> > After Germanic split into Westic and Nordic,
> >
> > and after Iranian split from Indic.
> >
> > So it must be rather late,
> >
> > A rough guess : after - 2 000 BC.
> >
> > ====================
>