Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

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From: fournet.arnaud

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Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:22 PM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

 

----- Original Message -----

From: Rick McCallister

To: cybalist@... s.com

Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:22 AM

Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

So when do you think the Saami began speaking Uralic

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A.F

What do you mean ?

Saami people are obviously Uralic, and never spoke anything but Uralic.

Saami is definitely conservative, in the Uralic family.

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and the Finns moved into Finland?

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A.F

They moved into Eastern Europe,

After Germanic split into Westic and Nordic,

and after Iranian split from Indic.

So it must be rather late,

A rough guess : after - 2 000 BC.

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Saami, supposedly has 25% pre-Uralic substrate and I
have no clue about any substrate in Finnish.
I've always wondered about shared substrate among
Germanic, Saami, Balto-Finnic and Baltic --but none of
you will get up off your duffs and figure it out for
me.

--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@ wanadoo.fr>
wrote:

>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@... s.com
> Sent: Thursday, September 27, 2007 8:16 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> as Vasco-Caucasian
>
>
> Actually Scandinvia & W Baltic: Sweden, Denmark,
> Lower
> Saxony, Pomorze --Jastorf, right?
> Germanic began to split up sometime around 500 BC,
> right?
> And it spread out from there, right?
> In (continental) Scandinavia, the previous
> inhabitants
> spoke Uralic, namely Saami (and Finnish in
> Finland),
> right?
>
> ============ ========= =======
>
> A.F
>
> Germanic reached Scandinavia BEFORE (Western)
> Uralic.
>
> And I think Germanic split much earlier than 500
> BC,
>
> English and German were different languages as
> early as - 2500,
>
> if you recalibrate glottochronology erosion rate,
> to avoid having French and Italian split as late as
> in the XV century.
>
> (obviously absurd : Standard erosion rate is too
> fast
>
> It has to be slowed down and the result is that
> language splits are pushed into the past)
>
> ============ ========= =====
>
>
> And who knows what they spoke in Denmark and
> Pomorze,
> right?
> Maybe "Folkish"?, maybe "Apple language", who
> knows,
> right?
>
> --- tgpedersen <tgpedersen@... com> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@... s.com, Rick
> McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@ ...> wrote:
> > >
> > > No one says that Scandinavia was the original
> > homeland
> > > of Germanic --just that it was centered there
> and
> > the
> > > NW Baltic
> >
> > Why 'centered' there? Where exactly is the 'NW
> > Baltic'?
> >
> > > c. 500 BCE.
> >
> > Why 500 BCE?
> >
> >
> > > Before that, well, probably present Saxony and
> > Poland.
> > > Regarding Uralic lexicon --look at Scandinavia
> and
> > the
> > > N. Baltic, who else besides Germanics live
> there?
> >
> > Is this 'N. Baltic' = your previous 'NW Baltic',
> and
> > if not, where is it?
> >
> >
> > Torsten
> >
> >
> >
>
>
>
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