Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

Yes, Saami is Uralic, no one doubts that but a few
years back. Ante said on several postings that the
Saami people orginally spoke another language as
evidenced by substrate --that the Uralic invasion was
an elite replacement. That they are ethnically
different from the Finns. I don't know if he has
changed his mind.
But, on his website, you can see his picture, he is
Saami and to me, he looks pretty generically
Scandinavian.
Cavalli-Sforza, on the other hand does show a genetic
type that radiates out from N. Scandinavia and seems
to correspond to the Saami, as opposed to others. So
there is a strong autochthonous element there.
But, why don't we invite Ante to inform us on this.


--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

> Look at http://cc.oulu.fi/~anaikio/index.html
>
> In my opinion,
> Saami is clearly a Uralic language
> with strong connections with Finnic and Mordvin.
>
> The ""problem"" with Saami,
> is that Finland dreams of being autochtonous
> Europeans
> and Hungary enjoys being from Siberia.
> So depending if you ask a Fenn or a Hungarian,
> you will get conflicting ideas about Uralic
> Homeland.
> Because Saam people are obviously Asiatic, "yellow
> race"
> they are a major obstacle against Autochtonous
> Dream.
> And some people even reject the connection of
> Samoyed
> with Finno-Ugric, for the same reason.
>
> Saami and the rest of Western Uralic is an intrusion
> from
> Siberia into Europe.
> You cannot choose your ancestors.
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Rick McCallister
> To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 6:34 PM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> as Vasco-Caucasian
>
>
> According to Ante AIkio (sp?) the Saami (i. e.
> residents of Scandinavia) originally spoke another
> language before the arrival of Uralic
> I've seen conflicting ideas re Saami
> 1: it's a form of Balto-Finnish
> 2: it's a separate branch of Uralic
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: Rick McCallister
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 7:22 AM
> > Subject: Re: [tied] Re: Renfrew's theory renamed
> > as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> > So when do you think the Saami began speaking
> > Uralic
> >
> > ==============
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > What do you mean ?
> >
> > Saami people are obviously Uralic, and never
> spoke
> > anything but Uralic.
> >
> > Saami is definitely conservative, in the Uralic
> > family.
> >
> > ===================
> >
> >
> > and the Finns moved into Finland?
> >
> > =================
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > They moved into Eastern Europe,
> >
> > After Germanic split into Westic and Nordic,
> >
> > and after Iranian split from Indic.
> >
> > So it must be rather late,
> >
> > A rough guess : after - 2 000 BC.
>
> <snip>
>
>
>

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