From: michelmrvn
Message: 50137
Date: 2007-09-30
>Yes, ungarian ha:rom is cognate with finnish kolme and even with
>
> --- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
>
> >
> > ----- Original Message -----
> > From: michelmrvn
> > To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
> > Sent: Saturday, September 29, 2007 12:45 PM
> > Subject: [Courrier indésirable] [tied] Re:
> > Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
> >
> >
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister
> > <gabaroo6958@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > So when do you think the Saami began speaking
> > Uralic
> > > and the Finns moved into Finland?
> > > Saami, supposedly has 25% pre-Uralic substrate
> > and I
> > > have no clue about any substrate in Finnish.
> > > I've always wondered about shared substrate
> > among
> > > Germanic, Saami, Balto-Finnic and Baltic --but
> > none of
> > > you will get up off your duffs and figure it out
> > for
> > > me.
> > >
> >
> > ===============
> I got the number from a Saami specialist Ante Aikio
> --or whatnot, I never can get his name right. He was
> talking about substate, not adstrate. Finnish and
> Hungarian, etc. have plenty of adstrate.
>
>
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > I'm afraid this 25% number makes little sense.
> >
> > Each proto-Uralic word is usually shared by less
> > than 50% of Uralic languages,
> >
> > Most often less that 30%.
> >
> > and more than 50% words of each Uralic language is
> > not ascribable to proto-Uralic.
> >
> > So I do not know what this ""25%"" ""substrate""
> > means.
> >
> > (My point of view : most probably Nothing at all).
> >
> <snip>
> >
> > A.F
> >
> > So, it is great news that we have a specialist of
> > basque in town.
> >
> > Note that both saami garrat "hard, rough"/basque
> > garrats have the same phonetic structure as the word
> > hard itself : velar + a + rhotic + dental.
>
> Interesting since we're looking at sth like hard <
> *kVrdh-
>
> >
> > What do you think about :
> >
> > Basque : hiru : "three"
> >
> > Ungarian : ha:rom : "three".
>
> BUT isn't the Uralic root closer to Finnish kolme (if
> I remember correctly)
>
> <snip>
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