Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: Patrick Ryan
Message: 50095
Date: 2007-09-27


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Well, I thought my challenge would, at least, be understood - if not answered.
 
First off, I am not interested in your theory of *i/*u alternation. It is held by no one but yourself; and on no evidence. *lei-/*leu- are not best interpreted as alternate forms of the same word (what would be the reason for the 'unnecessary' alternation?) but rather as two different and, at one time, semantically different roots of SIMILAR meanings.
 
I challenged you to list 5 VERBAL roots each of *CiC and *CuC, a snap if PIE *i and *u are phonemic vowels.
 
Again, I will not be holding my breath.
 
 
Patrick Ryan
 
 
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Mr Ryan :
 
your little "challenge" :
 
skeri = skeru to cut
lei = leu dirt, slime
peHi = peHu to hurt, to strike
gheHi = gheHu to gape, yawn
leig = leug to bind, to twist
 
There are plenty of cases where
either vowel i or u
Or consonant y and w alternate
in the same structure.
 
I don't call this a challenge
I thought you would be able to do it by yourself.
 
 
 
 
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Sent: Wednesday, September 26, 2007 12:34 PM
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PIE definitely had four vocalic phonemes :
/i/ /o/ /u/ and /a=e/.
You are confusing morphology and phonology.
This avocalic allophone of *w is morphology not phonology.
 
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I never fail to wonder at those who proclaim such nonsense.
 
Well, you can persuade me of your view by doing something simple:
 
1) list 5 PIE verbal roots of the form *CiC-;
 
2) list 5 PIE verbal roots of the form *CuC-.
 
I will not be holding my breath.
 
PR
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A.F
I know what people like you think.
I think you are so overweeningly convinced to be right,
it is no use giving you any "spiritual food".
You are that kind of dumb hard-hats of Indo-Europeanism.
Fortunately, there are people on this forum with whom one may disagree and nevertheless hope to achieve some great exchange of (differing) views.
 
Just look at the hundreds of I.E roots where -i- alternate with -u-.
And you will know :
S-lip versus lub-ricate
ETC ETC ETC
 
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This (lack of) answer reveals you embarrassingly completely. 
 
You were asked to do something simple if your assertions have even a shred of validity:
 
List 5 each VERBAL roots of the forms *CiC and *CuC.
 
If *i and *u were  PIE vocalic phonemes, *CVC would appear as *CiC and *CuC.
 
If you could do it, you would have done it!
 
You ignored the challenge because you cannot meet it.
 
This shows every reader that nothing you write should be taken seriously since you do not take what you write seriously either.
 
 Patrick Ryan
 
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