----- Original Message -----From: Patrick RyanSent: Monday, September 24, 2007 11:48 PMSubject: [Courrier indsirable] Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
----- Original Message -----From: fournet.arnaudSent: Monday, September 24, 2007 3:24 PMSubject: Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian
There is no PIE "vowel" phoneme *u; it exists only as an avocalic allophone of *w.Patrick Ryan============ =======PIE definitely had four vocalic phonemes :/i/ /o/ /u/ and /a=e/.You are confusing morphology and phonology.This avocalic allophone of *w is morphology not phonology.***four phonemes? Utterly wrong!What in Heaven's name leads you to believe "/a=e/"? This is pure fantasy.PR================================A.F/a/ is the basic universal vowel in every mankind's language.So it must have existed in PIE(Sorry but I believe PIE is not just a fictional exercise in order to create a forum)So /a/ existed in PIE, but tradition has it that Brugmann a2 is written <e>to be read as /a/ when you are a linguist trained in phonology.No fantasy at all.I believe in Phonology. Organs never lie. People do.I am afraid you are a little bit tender and soft in Phonology.=====================***In the word kuH2on : -u- is a PIE voweltreating as a vowel, in Greek and in the other languages.It is a pity your are completely in the dark,Get yourself a Handbook of Structuralism from the 50ies.You may be a good comparatistbut as a linguist, you are not worth much.This is the problem with letter-games :it is not phonology : it is nothing but flapdoodle.***I think you may be the one lacking in linguistic knowledge.EVERY PIE root has the form *CV or *CVC.The permissible vowel (*V)is only *e or *o.Patrick Ryan====================Yeah ! Good boy !You believe the fairy tales you are told :What do you think about :Standard PIE : wrugh-yos "rye"Thracian and Macedonian : briza "rye" from *wrigh-ya.Can you not see that *i and *u alternate in *wr_gh- ?Try to think by yourself !I am a bad boy :I have this compulsive reaction to check everything I am told.*e and *o are the most frequent permissible vowels in a consonant skeleton,"most frequent", nothing more.*i and *u also exist, but they are rarer, not impossible.Sorry to ruin your (shallow) certaintiesbut it is for your own good.***.