Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 50074
Date: 2007-09-25


 
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From: Patrick Ryan
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Subject: [Courrier indsirable] Re: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian



 
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There is no PIE "vowel" phoneme *u; it exists only as an avocalic allophone of *w.
 
Patrick Ryan
 
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PIE definitely had four vocalic phonemes :
/i/ /o/ /u/ and /a=e/.
You are confusing morphology and phonology.
This avocalic allophone of *w is morphology not phonology.
 
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four phonemes? Utterly wrong!
 
What in Heaven's name leads you to believe "/a=e/"? This is pure fantasy.
 
PR
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A.F
/a/ is the basic universal vowel in every mankind's language.
So it must have existed in PIE
(Sorry but I believe PIE is not just a fictional exercise in order to create a forum)
So /a/ existed in PIE, but tradition has it that Brugmann a2 is written <e>
to be read as /a/ when you are a linguist trained in phonology.
No fantasy at all.
I believe in Phonology. Organs never lie. People do.
I am afraid you are a little bit tender and soft in Phonology.
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In the word kuH2on : -u- is a PIE vowel
treating as a vowel, in Greek and in the other languages.
 
It is a pity your are completely in the dark,
Get yourself a Handbook of Structuralism from the 50ies.
You may be a good comparatist
but as a linguist, you are not worth much.
 
This is the problem with letter-games :
it is not phonology : it is nothing but flapdoodle.
 
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I think you may be the one lacking in linguistic knowledge.
 
EVERY PIE root has the form *CV or *CVC.
 
 The permissible vowel  (*V)is only *e or *o.
 
Patrick Ryan
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Yeah ! Good boy !
You believe the fairy tales you are told :
 
What do you think about :
 
Standard PIE : wrugh-yos "rye"
Thracian and Macedonian : briza "rye" from *wrigh-ya.
 
Can you not see that *i and *u alternate in *wr_gh- ?
 
Try to think by yourself !
 
I am a bad boy :
I have this compulsive reaction to check everything I am told.
 
*e and *o are the most frequent permissible vowels in a consonant skeleton,
"most frequent", nothing more.
*i and *u also exist, but they are rarer, not impossible.
 
Sorry to ruin your (shallow) certainties
but it is for your own good.
 
 
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