Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 50060
Date: 2007-09-24


There is no PIE "vowel" phoneme *u; it exists only as an avocalic allophone of *w.
 
Patrick Ryan
 
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PIE definitely had four vocalic phonemes :
/i/ /o/ /u/ and /a=e/.
You are confusing morphology and phonology.
This avocalic allophone of *w is morphology not phonology.
 
In the word kuH2on : -u- is a PIE vowel
treating as a vowel, in Greek and in the other languages.
 
It is a pity your are completely in the dark,
Get yourself a Handbook of Structuralism from the 50ies.
You may be a good comparatist
but as a linguist, you are not worth much.
 
This is the problem with letter-games :
it is not phonology : it is nothing but flapdoodle.
 
 
 
 
 
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Subject: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian



What about *g^Hwer-, which is not attested
with syllabic *u at all, in any branch?

Piotr

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ghwer "wild beast" is connected with *ghew "frighten-ed/ -ing"
 
So it is not an instance of gh+w
but an instance of gh_w- with zero degree of the root.
It is logical that Satem languages treat gh as a satemisable phoneme,
independent from -w-.
 
lat. ferus, -a, -um `wild, wildwachsend, -lebend' (*g^huero-s); 
Ai. ghōrá-ḥ `furchtbar, ehrfurchtgebietend' ,     
 
w never is *u because it is a consonant not a vowel in this root.
 
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*k^won- is a reduction from **k^ow-én, the 'wagger'.
 
There is no PIE "vowel" phoneme *u; it exists only as an avocalic allophone of *w.
 
Patrick Ryan
 
 
 
 
 
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