Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

From: fournet.arnaud
Message: 50042
Date: 2007-09-23


What about *g^Hwer-, which is not attested
with syllabic *u at all, in any branch?

Piotr

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ghwer "wild beast" is connected with *ghew "frighten-ed/-ing"
 
So it is not an instance of gh+w
but an instance of gh_w- with zero degree of the root.
It is logical that Satem languages treat gh as a satemisable phoneme,
independent from -w-.
 
lat. ferus, -a, -um `wild, wildwachsend, -lebend' (*g^huero-s); 
Ai. ghōrá-ḥ `furchtbar, ehrfurchtgebietend',     
 
w never is *u because it is a consonant not a vowel in this root.
 
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Root / lemma: g^hu̯ēr-

English meaning: wild beast

German meaning: `wildes Tier'

Material: Gr. θήρ, -ός, m. spät f. (θῆρες, θηρῶν = ostlit. žvė́res, žvėrų̃, Schwyzer Gr. Gr. I 424), lesb. φήρ, hom. Φῆρες, thess. φείρ (πεφειρά̄κοντες = τεθηρακότες, Φιλόφειρος) `Tier';

    lat. ferus, -a, -um `wild, wildwachsend, -lebend' (*g^huero-s);

    mit Überführung in die i-Deklination (nach dem Akk. Sg. Pl. -ь, -i = m̥, -n̥s) lit. žvėrìs m. f. , lett. zve^rs m. ; apr. Akk. Pl. swīrins;

    aksl. zvěrь `wildes Tier', sloven, zvę^r, ačech. zvěř m. f. , russ. zvěrь;

    substantiv. Adjektiv lit. žvėrienà f. , russ. zvěrína `Wildbret', zu lat. carō ferīna ds.

References: WP. I 642 f. , WH. I 487 f. , Trautmann 374 f.

Page(s): 493

 

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Root / lemma: ghou-ro-s

English meaning: frightened

German meaning: `furchtbar' und `voller Furcht'

Material: Ai. ghōrá-ḥ `furchtbar, ehrfurchtgebietend', n. `unheimliche Gewalt, Zaubermacht';

    got. gaurs `betrübt', gauriÞa `Betrübnis', qaurjan `kränken', ahd. gōrag `elend, arm, gering'; aisl. gaurr m. `erbärmlicher Mensch' (Johansson KZ. 67, 221); vielleicht hierher mit Ablaut und n-Weiterbildung: ags. gyrn, gryn n. `Trauer', auch gnorn, grorn m. , gnyrn f. ds. , gryre m. `Schreck', mit verschiedenen Assimilationen und Dissimilationen, dazu as. gornōn, gnornōn, grornōn `trauern', gruri m. `Schreck';

    klruss. žuryty `betrüben', žurba `Sorge', russ. žurítь `ausschelten'.

References: WP. I 636, Feist 208.

Page(s): 453 - 454

 

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----- Original Message -----
From: Piotr Gasiorowski
To: cybalist@yahoogroups.com
Sent: Sunday, September 23, 2007 8:49 PM
Subject: Re: [tied] Renfrew's theory renamed as Vasco-Caucasian

fournet.arnaud wrote:

> Your example is totally unacceptable.
> this word is a two-syllable word : *ku-H2on

It can't be anything of the kind. The weak form of the stem is *k^un-
(Gk. kun-, Skt. s'un-), attested in many branches, not *k^uh2n-, which
would have given Gk. ) !*pa:n-, Skt. !*s'u:n-. Lat. canis may be derived
from something like pre-Lat. gen. *k^w&n-és, with a secondary reduced grade.

> In the case of "dog", kw is consonantic interpretation of k+u.

It doesn't matter what it is underlyingly. It _surfaces_ as *k^w,
contrasting with *kW, in PIE. What about *g^Hwer-, which is not attested
with syllabic *u at all, in any branch?

Piotr