RE : [tied] Re: North of the Somme

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@...> wrote:

>
> I was looking in Wikipedia for the details, but it is
> a confused mess, if you take into account various
> articles. It doesn't mention the Frisians in Denmark,
> but I've seen in various places, including I believe
> Beowulf, that the Danes ran them out. Wikipedia sees
> the Jutes and the Geats as 2 different peoples but
> ackowledges that OED sees them as one. BUT if the
> Danes were originally from north of the Swedish Göta,
> then the Jutes and the Geats could have formed an
> ethnic continuity.

My crazy uncle, Jon Galster, who immersed himself into the subject and
wrote a book about it, thoght the Germani arrived in Scandinavia in a
pincer movement, one prong north from Germania, another west from the
Baltics.

> By the way, the former title of the Swedish kings in
> Latin does translate literally as "King of the Swedes,
> Goths and the Vandals" (Gothorum et Vandalorum) but as
> you pointed out, in Swedish it's "King of the Swedes,
> Geats and Wends".

No I didn't. I pointed out that one of the titles of the Danish king
was 'of the Wends and the Goths'. I believe we quarreled with the
Swedes over that too.

> Evidently the Geats were conflated
> with the Goths and (perhaps) the Jutes, the Wends with
> the Vandals.

No one in recent time did that. The interpretation, at least in the
titles of the Danish king was as I said that the Wends were a Slavic
people on the Baltic coast and the Goths the inhabitants of Gotland.


Torsten