--- tgpedersen <
tgpedersen@...> wrote:
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "fournet.arnaud"
> <fournet.arnaud@...>
> wrote:
Germanic displays a very
> strong eastern (and not
> > northern) tropism. Somewhere in the middle of
> Kazakhstan seems the
> > right place ?!?
>
> Some Germanic verb morphology (preterite/ppp) looks
> Iranian, I've
> claimed before. So more likely the area of the
> Skiri/Bastarnae in
> Southern Poland.
>
>
> Torsten
****GK: We're perilously close to Kooksville here. The
notion that "Southern Poland" is the birthplace of
Germanic has at least the name of the "Skiri" and
"Bastarnae" going for it. (Next question: where did
they come from? They are mentioned in the Protogenes
Decree of Olbia [ca. 200 BC] as "allies" of the
Galatians. A case can be made form the contention that
Galatae+Skiri= Bastarnae (the root "bast-" seems to
refer to "binding" in a few languages, including
Germanic, which is applicable to members of an
alliance (one of those pre-nation state "political"
realities).] The written record is quite sparse. The
Skiri and Galatae (=Bastarnae) are clearly recent
arrivals in the southeast Europe area as of 200 BC.
The archaeological evidence indicates that the
population of the key Bastarnian territory in Moldavia
was originally Daco-Thracian as to culture. New
elements from the Baltic Pomorian culture and from the
Jastorf culture appear in the 3rd and 2nd c. BC (which
is when Galatae, Skiri, and Bastarnae enter the
historical sources). The Galatae may have been
dominant in earlier times (Polybius thinks the
Bastarnae were Galatian), but the known names of
Bastarnian chiefs have Germanic rather than Celtic
affinities. Sarmatian contact is even later. So logic
would indicate that Germanic was not created in this
area, but arrived from Pomorian and Jastorf locales.
Anyway that's my (and not only my) methodology. When
something seems extremely probable you support it
rather than to opt for an alternative which is
INFINITELY less probable. Torsten has a different
approach: if there is something that he likes and that
is not COMPLETELY impossible (even if the probability
is of the rate of .000001%) he will defend it to the
death. As for A.F.'s Kazakhstan, and his 8,000BC
that's pure Kooksville.*****
>
>
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