Re: [tied] Re: H1 now Welsh ll-

I've seen Welsh words beginning with ll- & l-. Are the
l- words all of foreign origin? Or is ll- analogous to
Spanish ll- from cl-, fl-, pl-? Given that my
great-grandmother Griffith claimed descent from
Llewelyn, it's a pressing matter


--- "fournet.arnaud" <fournet.arnaud@...>
wrote:

> Chantraine cites a cypriot form laos with no digamma
> and rejects the preform *law- : preform should be
> *l_H2-
>
> Watkins says that Welsh llech is "obscure"
> although he connect llech with a root leH1-
>
> Are Irish forms from *li:kk- and *lekk- ?
>
> What wrong with connecting Irish forms with Welsh
> llech
> from a phonetic viewpoint ?
> I don't understand why this Welsh form should be
> labelled "obscure".
>
>
>
> ----- Original Message -----
> From: Brian M. Scott
> To: stlatos
> Sent: Saturday, August 25, 2007 5:06 AM
> Subject: Re: [tied] Re: H1
>
>
> At 3:52:14 PM on Friday, August 24, 2007, stlatos
> wrote:
>
> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com,
> "fournet.arnaud"
> > <fournet.arnaud@...> wrote:
>
> >> I noticed some words in Celtic where the
> laryngeal H1
> >> seems to be explicitly kept as -ch-
>
> [...]
>
> >> Welsh
> >> llech stone from l_H1
>
> > Irish liag
>
> The earliest form of the nom. sing. is <lie> (gen.
> sing.
> <liac(c)>, acc. dat. sing. and nom. pl. <lieic>,
> acc. pl.
> <lec(c)a>. The noun is masculine; MWelsh <llech>
> is
> feminine. OIr fem. <lecc> 'a slab, a flat stone'
> is clearly
> the better match with the Welsh.
>
> > which may be connected to the Greek diminutive
> la^igx if
> > from something like *Lew-n,-kos / *Law-n,-kos.
>
> Pokorny does in fact relate OIr <li:e> (later
> <lía>) to Gk.
> <lâas>.
>
> Brian
>
>
>
>

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