[tied] Re: *-tro-/*-tlo-

--- Jens Elmegård Rasmussen <elme@...> wrote:

> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos"
> <stlatos@...> wrote:

> > However, -idus is not from *-e-h1- + -to-.
> There are cognates in
> > other languages (where there's no tH>d).
> >
> > I'd say stative verbs in *-èxY+ had adj. in
> *-(e)xYdó+ meaning
> > 'being _'. So *xYruudhexYó+ > *xYruudheyó+ 'red'
> > rubeus, OCS
> > ryz^dI; *xYruudh(e)xYdó+ 'being red, blushing' >
> Early Irish
> ruidiud
> > 'blush'

> > For (things of a) color/brightness:
> >
> > *leukY-xY-dó+ '(thing) being bright' >
> > lu:cidus 'bright', OE li:getu 'lightning'
> >
> > *xalbh-xY-dó+ 'being white' >
> > Lat albidus 'white', PGer *albitaz > ON elptr, OHG
> albiz 'swan'
>
> This looks like a fine and unexpected example of *th
> > Germanic /t/
> as assumed by Stang and Dal. The common derivation
> would indeed be
> *H2albhe-H1-to- > *H2albhetho-.

You assume that only PIE e > Germanic i? Depending on the env. x()

> i/a/u which will show that there was no *-etho-, only *-xY,do-.

Another bird word in *-do- > *-ta- is *gYhansxY,do+ > *gYanuta+ > OE
ganot > E gannet. It was apparently derived from 'making a "gYhans"
noise' applied to geese or similar birds.

*gYhansxY,do+
*gYhanx,do+
*gYhanudo+
*gYanuta+
*gYanota+
*ganota+

The x,>u after n is seen in *xanx,t+ > *anud+ 'duck' and there's
nothing else to show if s>0 in this env. elsewhere, but it seems
likely if H1 is a fric (xY).

> > gYhel-xW+xYdó+ >
> > gYhel-xY-dxWó+ >
> > gYhel-xY-dwó+ 'being yellow > being bright
> (white)'
> > >
> > khelidwó:n 'swallow', Middle Irish gelbund
> 'sparrow'
> >
> > If all this is right it seems to make the odd
> *gYhel-xW+xYdó+ >
> > khelidwó:n more likely (both words for birds based
> on color words
> in
> > *-xYdó+).