Re: root *pVs- for cat

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@...> wrote:

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> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "alexandru_mg3" <alexandru_mg3@>
> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, Rick McCallister <gabaroo6958@>
> > wrote:
> > >
> > > Gaelic piseag can not be from Celtic because it has a
> > > /p-/. It also has a dimunitive ending -ag.
> >
> >
> > -ic~a of Romanian pisic~a is a diminutive too
> >
> > see : mam~a -> m~am-ic~a
> >
> > Macbain's
> > > book is based on a specific dialect, not Gaelic as a
> > > whole or even standard Gaelic. I've seen other forms
> > > of the word such as pus, puis. It IS from English,
> > > given that the normal Gaelic word is cat, which is
> > > from Latin. If you don't believe me, ask Kim Mc Cone
> > > or another specialist in Gaelic and Celtic languagues.
> > >
> >
> > 1. If Gaelic piseag IS from English (with bold :), not with
> > arguments) ... from where is English puss?
> >
> > 2. Why English puss has an Unknown Etymology (Webster)?
> >
> > 3. Where are Germanic counterparts of English puss?
> >
>
> 'puss' has p- and therefore can't be Germanic either (since that

would

> be from almost non-existent PIE b-). As a matter of fact, initial p-
> is one of the criteria Kuhn uses to identify NWBlock loans. It so
> happens that I have made a list of Kuhn's NWBlock words in p- and
> supplemented it with Celtic (Irish, Welsh, Breton) cognates, also in
> p- which shouldn't be there, but all three dictionaries I consulted
> were brim-full with words in p- (and the NWBlock cognates all had
> invariably p-, regardless of whether the language was q-Celtic or
> p-Celtic), and it worries me that no Celtic expert has been puzzled
> and/or dismisses them as loans from Enlgish (but they can't be
> English, they have p-!).
>
> http://www.angelfire.com/rant/tgpedersen/KuhnText/list.html
>
> One possible solution is to consider whether it is possible the

Celts

> in England had replaced a NWBlock-speaking people. Is there some
> heavy-duty Celtic expert out there who will issue something
> authoritative on this subject?
>
>
> As for the -eag suffix; it appears in several of the Celtic cognates
> I've found to Kuhn's list; it seems to correspond to the typical
> NWBlock -Vk-suffix
>
>
> Torsten
>

On my side:

a) I suspect that Celtic piseag is really a Celtic word reflecting a
Proto-Celtic *kWis- > *pis-

b) In this way the root *kWVs- 'starts to be similar' with the other
root *kVt-

c) English puss (for sure, not a Germanic word) is a loan from Celtic
in this case...But we need to explain u in English versus i in
Celtic. Any help?

d) as regarding Romanian *pis- (pis-oi, pis-ica) this could also
reflects a *kW-(/a(i)) > *p-
What is the output of the PIE *ai in Celtic and in Gaelic?

e) Finally to match: *kWVs- 'cat' with *kVt- 'cat' we need to suspect
that s is originated from 'dental+dental' *kWVT-T-

A "final reconstruction" will lead us to a kind of Common:

*kWoiT-T-/ *kWaiT-T- 'cat'

Marius