[tied] Re: *-tro-/*-tlo-

From: Jens Elmegård Rasmussen
Message: 49141
Date: 2007-06-24

--- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@...> wrote:
>
> --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@> wrote:
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> > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "stlatos" <stlatos@> wrote:
> > >
> > > --- In cybalist@yahoogroups.com, "tgpedersen" <tgpedersen@>
wrote:
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > > - For ukthá-, there is also the possible model of *wr.thó-
,
> > > > > continued in Lat. verbum and OE word from underlying
*wr.H1-tó-,
> > > > > the ptc. of the verbal root *werH1- seen in Gk.
eíro: 'speak',
> > > > > rhé:to:r 'speaker'.
> > > > > This is of course mere guesswork, not any kind of proof.
> > > >
> > > > I thought verbum, word would point to *wr.-dhó- ??
> > >
> > > They do, or in my theory *v(e)rdhóm, but with the theory that
> > > h()t>tH was PIE it becomes a possibility.
> >
> > What on earth does that mean?
>
> I mean:
>
> I believe PIE had dh in this word.
>
> If a person who believed in h()t>tH made a reconstruction based
only
> on Latin and Germanic, it could instead be derived as *wr.H1-tó-
(above).
>
> I don't believe this; I believe the other possible cognates are
actual
> cognates.
>
> My specific reconstruction shows that it had either e or 0 in the
> first syl., ve>vo in some env. in Baltic, etc.
>
> > > I think someone speculated about tH>d in Balto-Slavic, too,
but I
> > > really don't believe it.
> >
> > And -dh- comes in where?
>
> I derive the word from a from with dH; I don't believe tH>d.
>
> If someone derives the word from a form containing tH instead of
dH
> then it doesn't come in anywhere (unless a specific rule has
tH>dH>d
> as intermediates).
>

Do we have a pre-BSl. rule changing th to dh after sonant (or just
liquid)? We find Slavic tvIrdU 'hard, compact' (Lith. restored
tvìrtas), *vold- from *wolHt- (Lith valdy'ti, OCS
vladoN 'dominate'), and *wVrtho- > Lit. vardas, OPr. wirda-; perhaps
also the present formation of Lith. vìrti, virdù 'boil' is easier to
derive from a resegmented 3sg *t. I think this deserves some
attention.

Jens